Anyone have any suggestions for a floating tip using an OPST 250 grain Skagit head?
David1123
I've tried a 5' cheater piece of level line. Then a standard 9' trout tapered leader . It worked ok. Just ordered Airflo 5' trout poly. I'll give that a try. I'm thinking of sacrificing and old line to create a 5' tapered floating tip.
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I have used old fly lines to cut up into custom tips for many years.
It converts a Skagit head into a powerful line for heavy flies in shallow riffles.
Use a short leader 6-8 ft,,, very efficient combination.
Caution on a 250 gr head,,, a fly line tip could be relatively heavy total weight for the Trout Spey class of rods.
You may have better casting results with a coated fly line tip and a 200/225 gr head combination.
The MOW floating tip is just a level pc. of fly line.
I suggest purchasing a grain weight scale and measure the window your rod likes for your individual casting style.
Start with a relatively long tip and cut it back in length until you like the casting, record the grains for future experiments.
Regards,
FK
It converts a Skagit head into a powerful line for heavy flies in shallow riffles.
Use a short leader 6-8 ft,,, very efficient combination.
Caution on a 250 gr head,,, a fly line tip could be relatively heavy total weight for the Trout Spey class of rods.
You may have better casting results with a coated fly line tip and a 200/225 gr head combination.
The MOW floating tip is just a level pc. of fly line.
I suggest purchasing a grain weight scale and measure the window your rod likes for your individual casting style.
Start with a relatively long tip and cut it back in length until you like the casting, record the grains for future experiments.
Regards,
FK
David1123, I too am searching for the perfect floating tip to match an OPST Micro-Skagit head.
FK, thanks for the tips.
Here's a link to another thread I posted that describes my first tests and desire for a tapered floating tip.
http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/138-trout/213082-opst-micro-skagit-tests.html
Tight Lines,
Mike A
FK, thanks for the tips.
Here's a link to another thread I posted that describes my first tests and desire for a tapered floating tip.
http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/138-trout/213082-opst-micro-skagit-tests.html
Tight Lines,
Mike A
Gonna kill two birds with one...
... one stone here, as the saying goes. First off, the RIO MOW floating tips do have a taper on the front/leader end (or at least they did when I got mine). Second, for 'micro' or conversion rods, a MOW T-8 light floating tip cut to a 5' length - measure back 5' from the front/leader end, cut and install loop - works very well as a floating tip for rods less than 9-10 feet in length and using 300grain or lighter Commando heads. I have used this tip to cast as large of a fly as I thought was feasible for the particular rod being used and for as small a fly also. This also includes bobber, split shot and fly/flies combinations. Of course, adjustments in leader length are necessary... big flies and/or bulky, heavy flies or rigging require short, stout leaders and for casting lighter payloads, the leader should be accordingly lengthened and lightened. As a loose guide, I run 5-6 foot leaders on large streamers or poppers and up to 12 foot leaders for small wets or soft hackles.
... one stone here, as the saying goes. First off, the RIO MOW floating tips do have a taper on the front/leader end (or at least they did when I got mine). Second, for 'micro' or conversion rods, a MOW T-8 light floating tip cut to a 5' length - measure back 5' from the front/leader end, cut and install loop - works very well as a floating tip for rods less than 9-10 feet in length and using 300grain or lighter Commando heads. I have used this tip to cast as large of a fly as I thought was feasible for the particular rod being used and for as small a fly also. This also includes bobber, split shot and fly/flies combinations. Of course, adjustments in leader length are necessary... big flies and/or bulky, heavy flies or rigging require short, stout leaders and for casting lighter payloads, the leader should be accordingly lengthened and lightened. As a loose guide, I run 5-6 foot leaders on large streamers or poppers and up to 12 foot leaders for small wets or soft hackles.
Thank you for the info Riveraddict. That's exactly what I was looking for! It'll save me a lot of experimentation.
why not just run a mono leader?
stout-nes. taper (or lack off), and length to meet conditions
stout-nes. taper (or lack off), and length to meet conditions
I have followed Riveraddict for many years and appreciate his contributions to the fly fishing community.
My recently purchased some MOW tips for use with the under 300gr OPST and RIO Skagit Trout heads. They are MOW Light 5ft and 2.5ft in addition I have the MOW Medium in the same tip lengths. The floating line PVC coated section is level,, it has a small section with about 4" of taper into the T coated section. The T section is also level. A very short taper is on the fly line end with the welded loop. I do not have a 10ft level tip for comparison.
These MOW tips work very nicely with heavy larger flies,,, they have an aggressive turnover and make a "tuck" cast which is useful for presentations behind rocks or into small pockets.
My new Sage 3110 ONE Trout Spey and Echo SR 3106 really cast these tips and have nice turn over with a 4" Bunny/Sculpin Helmet and OPST 175gr Commando head.
I will experiment with level sections of fly line as tips this coming weekend.
Regards,
FK
My recently purchased some MOW tips for use with the under 300gr OPST and RIO Skagit Trout heads. They are MOW Light 5ft and 2.5ft in addition I have the MOW Medium in the same tip lengths. The floating line PVC coated section is level,, it has a small section with about 4" of taper into the T coated section. The T section is also level. A very short taper is on the fly line end with the welded loop. I do not have a 10ft level tip for comparison.
These MOW tips work very nicely with heavy larger flies,,, they have an aggressive turnover and make a "tuck" cast which is useful for presentations behind rocks or into small pockets.
My new Sage 3110 ONE Trout Spey and Echo SR 3106 really cast these tips and have nice turn over with a 4" Bunny/Sculpin Helmet and OPST 175gr Commando head.
I will experiment with level sections of fly line as tips this coming weekend.
Regards,
FK
yes...
... the MOW sinktips are level, but the floater does in fact have taper. Also, I should have mentioned that by cutting a MOW floater at 5', you have essentially cut it in exact halves and that each half can be used as a floating tip. Of course, one 'tip' will have a taper, and the other will not. The tip without taper can be used for casting really big junk.
I have cast the Commando heads with floating 'standard' tips, floating MOW tips, and also with just mono leaders. I have had all of those approaches work as long as the grains per foot of the tip being cast was equal to or less than that of the terminal section of the head, and the total length of the entire line was less than 3.5 times rod length. The cutback MOW seems to work very well with rods in the 8.5' to 11ish foot range. Standard 15' tips seem to mesh best with rods longer than 12'. Using just a leader directly onto a Commando head seems most suitable for rods in the 7.5' lengths and under, but don't expect said combination to produce the most precise or delicate casts as the energy transfer from the 'fat' head into the 'skinny' mono leader isn't exactly ideal!
... the MOW sinktips are level, but the floater does in fact have taper. Also, I should have mentioned that by cutting a MOW floater at 5', you have essentially cut it in exact halves and that each half can be used as a floating tip. Of course, one 'tip' will have a taper, and the other will not. The tip without taper can be used for casting really big junk.
I have cast the Commando heads with floating 'standard' tips, floating MOW tips, and also with just mono leaders. I have had all of those approaches work as long as the grains per foot of the tip being cast was equal to or less than that of the terminal section of the head, and the total length of the entire line was less than 3.5 times rod length. The cutback MOW seems to work very well with rods in the 8.5' to 11ish foot range. Standard 15' tips seem to mesh best with rods longer than 12'. Using just a leader directly onto a Commando head seems most suitable for rods in the 7.5' lengths and under, but don't expect said combination to produce the most precise or delicate casts as the energy transfer from the 'fat' head into the 'skinny' mono leader isn't exactly ideal!
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