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Spey newb, intro and reels

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284 views 11 replies 6 participants last post by  samrocha  
#1 ·
Hello everyone- just joined. As a warning I’ve never spey casted or tried any double handed rod yet… with that said, I do fly fish somewhat regularly work and family permitting. I got the Spey itch recently and am beginning to casually learn (mostly YouTube for now) so I can hopefully get out and actually start.
I do build my own fly rods and went as far as to already buy a few blanks to build. I started a trout Spey 4 weight and will also be starting a 12’6” 8 weight Spey as soon as the blank arrives.
What got me interested was some steelhead videos on YouTube. I currently reside in the mountain west and would like to try Idaho steelhead fishing at some point. I’m not hyping it up with super high expectations but I’m more into experiences and just getting out. Does my mind good.
I’m hoping for some direction with best resources; be it a book(s), internet, YouTube that you all find most useful to help me learn.
Also, I am continually looking for reels. I’m not one to spend the big bucks on the fanciest of reels but do want something that will work and do it well. With that said, I do gravitate towards Lamson and older Scientific Anglers reels. From what I’ve learned so far, is my understanding correct that if I have an 8 weight Spey rod I should look for a reel about 3 sizes bigger? So an 11 weight reel? I already have a full cage Lamson Liquid HD -7+. Should I start looking for the -9+ size or is that still too small? I also have an older Lamson LP2 I use and love as well as older Scientific Anglers System 2 reels. Anyone here use those and have any guidance what sizes I should be looking for for Spey?
Sorry for the long post and intro and many thanks!
 
#2 ·
I began learning from YouTube but then took a few classes from my local Flyshop then graduated to River practice.

Regarding reels, something with a full cage is what I prefer so my running line doesn’t breach the spool gap. Lots of good starter reels and there are a few posted in the market place. An Orvis Batinkil V I saw recently for about 150. I like reels around 4 inches in diameter, plus or minus a bit for the rods I fish. I cannot speak to the rule described but if the reel looks good on the rod I would try it. Wide spools hold more line. I also love clickers but fish both. The lamson you have looks good to me.
 
#5 ·
Thanks. I’ll look to see if there’s anything offered in my area. A class would be good as I could probably learn more about lines too. Seems skagit lines are popular which I know nothing about. What reels do you use?
 
#11 ·
Welcome to the group - and to an ever-growing passion!
Really cool that you are building your own! Lots on videos as mentioned, but also highly recommend a lesson (groups lessons more affordable) as others have mentioned.
Quick primer on Scandi/Skagit with passions on both sides (lots of opinions and stalwarts). I use both (some stalwarts would never be caught dead with the one they do not use). Skagit are shorter shooting heads used with (mostly) sinking tips to get mid-to-deep in the water column...often used for winter steelhead. Scandi are longer shooting heads often used with polyleaders or very long leaders, usually higher in the water column (if not surface presentations) with a lighter presentation and often used for summer/fall steelhead. You can use one reel and spool with backing and running line (again, lots of opinion here but I have gravitated to mono running line) and then switch between skagit/scandi heads with appropriate tips.
Next choice, the reel. You will find a lot of passion on this forum for vintage clickers and I have definitely taken the hook/line/sinker on that one myself, or you can go with more modern drag reels. You can find used/vintage of both for moderate prices, many on this forum.
The reel size is less important than the balance and adequate backing. Most of the reels you'll be considering for the larger rod (vintage ones will be called salmon reels) will be wide to accommodate the head/running/backing with enough to have a larger fish take out lots of line. Much less of a concern for the trout spey. Many of the reels will be ~4", but your relatively shorter spey rod may be OK with something around 3 3/4". For the weight balance, the ideal balance is for the rod to be horizontal to the ground when you are holding it with your upper hand and the running line is out to the tip of the rod (and the head would be fully out and on the water). I approximate this by having the running line out to the tip without any head in my front yard, aiming to have the balance point be where my top hand is comfortably in a casting distance from the top of the cork. Close enough = good enough. You can see lots of videos on this too.
Enjoy!!!
 
#12 ·
I would recommend The River Rambler as a good podcast (“Into the Bucket” is also quite good), Swing the Fly Magazine as a good collection of writing, and Travis Johnson’s “All Waters Angling” Instagram subscription as a great collection of instructional videos. The “No Fish Harmed” series is must watch material, in my opinion. This will give you “how to” and also other equally important material to learn from. I am still studying all of it as best I can.