Oh and one more thing... I am a big Rio line fan. Been using them for years and been extremely pleased with them. But Flights and recent MAX heads are a bit of a disappointment unless you use 575+ heads or stick to t8 and lighter replacement tips. Im glad they recently released those new 15' MOW tips. Pairing those to Short skagits might be the ticket for those 13' plus 7-8 rods and have a nice continuous beefy taper all the way and effectively having a 25' head and 10' tip.