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I'm an average spey caster (at best). How hard are the long taper spey lines like the XLT to cast and what are their advantages over Windcutter, Delta Spey, etc. Thanks.
 

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Your technique has to be better to get them to work well. Remember you can shorten up and they are no different than a mid-spey.

The biggest advantage is that you do not have to strip. This can be a big plus when it is cols and stripping brings water into the guides, which freezes. It is nice to pick up and right out again. They work best when there is good backcast space. Dec Hogan says they are bst where the flow is uniform and a lot of mending is not needed.

A lot is personal preference. In any case they help improve your technique.
 

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I thought I had posted a reply

But evidently it didn't go through.

I pretty much agree with Ted. Although I think the mending capabilities exceed what can be done with sort belly lines.

To me, XLT lines are no harder to cast than short belly lines. They just require a different technique. The frustration occurs when you try to apply the same techniques that work fine on short belly lines and you end up with a pile of crap.:confused: You wonder what the h&ll went wrong, apply more power, and end up with a bigger pile of crap. In the end all you have to show for it is a sore, worn out body and a deflated ego.:eek:

Some good instructions, from someone who knows how to cast long belly lines, will save you from all of that.
 

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a fishing perspective

I fish one river a fair bit that (1) requires shooting line to reach fish (due to backcast limitations) and (2) often favors larger flies, wet or dry, to move fish.

I find an XLT is a liability on this river because there isn't room to open up, it doesn't shoot well, nor does it have the power to turn over big bugs at close range.

In other words, fishing conditions don't always favor long bellies, even though I enjoy carrying a longer line for the "casting" part of fishing whenever given the chance
 

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Thanks for your comments. The reason I asked about lines with a long front taper is that short belly lines seem so clunky with that fat belly so close to the end of the line; also, I like the idea of not shooting line. But, I have to admit that short belly lines are pretty forgiving when my timing is off an also when I don't have room for a big D-loop, which is often the case on the Deschutes. JDJones, I can get a deflated ego with any line.:hihi:
 

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something to be said for & against everything

abito said:
you wanna cast use long belly lines... u want to fish use shorter belly lines :razz:
Mike Kinney said that in the old days when all that was available was double tapers, and it took 70 to 80 feet of line to load the rod, they were all trying to figure out how they could fish this or that spot that was only thirty feet out without having to back up so far they were trying to fish around the bend in the river. And then there are runs where you are backed up against the trees. Really backed up against the trees.

Nice gravel bars, inside bends, low water, even flows, long lines, grease line fishing wets, or skating drys at it's best. Yes, you can cut back your long belly line & loop on a sink tip. Or fish wets with a long leader ala Bill McMillan.

The possibilities are endless. As are the challenges. That is why we fish with the long rod. Efficiency? Who said anything about efficiency? Whatever turns you on bro.:hihi:
 
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