When practising, I generally get to the point where the whole head is being used with the longbellies. Not real hard with the Grandspey at 80 feet long. In fishing, I cast where I need to. As I said with the 10/11 XLT, I haven't gone beyond 70 feet because I haven't had to in order to hit my targets.peter-s-c said:Do you find that you're casting all of those lines with about the same amount of line beyond the tiptop -- say, about 60' or so of line? I'm still wrestling with the idea of getting a long belly or staying with the short stuff.