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I thought I should ask the experts what they would recommend, instead of me telling you what I am going to do. So. I have never had a spey rod in my hand, but I want one. What length and line size would you suggest for a beginner? This will be an Atlantic Salmon rod for rivers the size of the Miramichi. One other question and I will leave you people alone for a while. Why do you use weight forward lines and not double taper for spey casting? Again thank you for any help.
 

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just say no to bait
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Also, don't be tempted by the availability of cheap, used Sage 9140s and 9141s on the market. They too have been passed by these rods.
I love how these poor old girls get kicked in the teeth so often:D

Thats exactly how I got mine. I used to fish with a chap who owned the rod. I was always casting 30 more ft. of line than him. so when he absolutely had to have the same rod I was fishing I bought the old sage cheap. For the rest of that season he would watch me outcast him by 30 ft. with his old rod.

Now I'm sure those other rods are excellent products and I am no great caster by any means. But you can't deny it Sage builds a good product.

Oh yeah, another buddy of mine has 10150 [sage] that I like and we're going fishing this weekend;)

N I
 

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start with at least an 18 ft.,,then you'll know what it feels like to have the ultimate in line control,then buy the shorter rods just to make you miss the 18:hehe:
 

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Like Peter said, you should look into a 14' 9 wt for your first rod, especially since you have the very real possiblity of hooking a rather large salmon where you are going to fish the rod.

The only thing you didn't tell us is the type of rod action you like. There are 2-hand rods with stiff, powerful, fast recovery, moderatley stiff, powerful, fast recovery, moderately stiff, somewhat powerful, slow recovery, soft, powerful, medium recovery, and soft, low power, slow recovery actions, just like with single hand rods. For us to give you a good recommendation that fits your casting style and preferred rod action, we need to know either the type of rods you like to cast, or the rod action you like.

to give you a better idea of what I'm talking about here are two examples: 1) the T&T 1409 or 1410 are stiff, powerful, fast recovery rods that are ill-suited to someone who likes a slower rod with moderate stiffness and power; 2) the old Sage 9140 brownie is a soft, low power, slow recovery rod that is ill-suited to a person who likes stiff, fast rods.

Perhaps contact Robert Meiser (one of our sponsors) who is one of the finest custom rod builders and a person who has developed his own rod blanks and tapers. Meiser has rods of several different actions in the 14' 9wt size and a few emails, private messages, or a phone call could get you a rod you would be happy with for many years.
 

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Leo,

A 9140 Sage is a fine rod for learning on. If you find one used for under $250.00 US you would be doing fine. They handle shortbellies and sinktips well. I also agree that the CND rods are excellent
and you couldn't go wrong with them. They are an exceptional value.

Kevin
 

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Leo M

As I become more experienced with my new ARC 1409 with the GS 7/8 with tips, the more impressed I am with it in my inexperienced old hands.

Bob Meiser adusted the cork handle to fit my hands. I wear extra large gloves and the cork handle was too large for me. This is standard with most factory corks. Bob fine tuned the handle/cork on my 7141, also. Both rods are easier to cast and less tiring to hold and have better line control.

If you have the money, have Bob build you a ARC 1409 with the cord handles designed to fit your hand. You will not be disappointed.

Thanks to Fly Tyer, I discovered the best line fit for me so with the ARC 1409 is the Grand Spey 7/8 with tips. It does a good job with the Mid Spey with tips including the tip compensator. The Grand Spey does a better job of handling wind and bigger flies than the Mid Spey. In my hands, the ARC 1409 and GS 7/8 can make casts all day to the color change with heavy flies and long furled leaders or tips. With the 7141, after about 50 casts, I start to feel like I'm being pummeled by Smoking Joe Frazier.

If you can find an old Loop 4 in good shape or new laying in a dust pile, it can be fitted with 300 yards of Spectra 30# and the Grandy Spey 7/8. The Loop 4 balances the ARC 1409. Loop's management is missing the boat by not making and selling the Loop 4 anymore. That is what happens when marketing folks get in charge of a company. They only want to sell you the newest and latest and not necessarily the best product.

Or you can call Bob Meiser and have him build you a 14' rod similiar to the ARC and probably a better one at less cost.
 

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" now I know why I stick with little rods" Peter S C

the real reason Peter is stuck to his little rods. it's his substance abuse problem with oral adhesives. One can only imagine how much Fixodent it takes to firmly bond a fishing rod to a mans hand!:devil:

You see if Peter had a nice smooth flexing rod like a Sage 9140 he might be able to break his adhesive dependance:razz:

Leo not only can you learn with a Sage 9140 but I find it to be the foundation of a good clean lifestyle free of substance abuse and truly the mark of a great Fisherman:D

N I
 

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Peter, Peter, PETER!

What is he supposed to do? Load that slow rod and let it fly! I fished a 9140 for 4 years it has done alright for itself. I am now a CND convert but I still cast the 9140 greenie. I may even fish it for summer runs this year who knows.:D

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Peter,

Why don't you tell us how you really feel about the 9140. Quit being so evasive.:hehe:
I think you need to take a deep breath relax and cast a slow rod. If you don't have one I know where you can buy one.:D

Kevin
 
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