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Still learning the trout and smallmouth two-handed game, I'm using simple leader setups. These may be all wrong.

ROD: Winston BIIITH MS 11 foot 4 wt

SCANDI type setup:
• 9 ft. Tapered leader + 3 ft. tippet

SKAGIT type setup:
• light MOW tip + 5 ft. 2X
• 5 foot micro floating tip + 7 ft. tippet

Single Handed Spey 3D setup:
• 5 ft. 2X

All tippet and tapered are mono, btw.

What do you use?

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For a rod as light as yours: 5 or 6 feet 50 pound mono - 3 to 4 feet of Z-9 sink material - 3 foot 12 pound fluorocarbon tippet.

Technique may need adjusting to accommodate the weight in the leader. If fishing shallow then an intermediate Polly Leader.
 

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Standard formula for trout and smallies: 2-2.5 feet of 40 or 45 pound nylon. 1.5-2 feet of 30-35 pound, 1.5 feet 25 pound and then I make up the tippet end as needed with .011 fluorocarbon.
 

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I'm still a novice at this so consider what I use with a grain of salt. My leaders are much the same as the leaders I use when I'm throwing medium and large streamers at trout with my single-handed rods, but just slightly longer. They are very simple, following Galloup's recommendations and logic - if you're using a sinking head, then you want a fairly short leader so that the head actually drags the fly down to its level. I have not yet tried the weighted poly leaders but am curious to do so at some point.

Butt section: 2' of 20# mono or fluoro.
Tippet: 3' of 1X (roughly 12#) if I'm swinging streamers or bigger leeches; 2' of 1X + 2' of 2X - 3X (around 8#) if I'm swinging smaller flies.

So far this has worked well for the fish I've been targeting, which, admittedly, are not giants - my biggest to date is right around 18".
 

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Thank you all for the recommendations. I'll tie up some leaders and get to it.

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Still learning the trout and smallmouth two-handed game, I'm using simple leader setups. These may be all wrong.

ROD: Winston BIIITH MS 11 foot 4 wt

SCANDI type setup:
• 9 ft. Tapered leader + 3 ft. tippet

SKAGIT type setup:
• light MOW tip + 5 ft. 2X
• 5 foot micro floating tip + 7 ft. tippet

Single Handed Spey 3D setup:
• 5 ft. 2X

All tippet and tapered are mono, btw.

What do you use?

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I don't think you're too far off the mark at all. It looks very similar to my setup with the only difference being that I use poly-leaders on my scandi rig and with my Switch Chucker I normally fish a 9 foot 1x mono tapered leader tied to a tippet ring and a few feet of lighter tippet (3/4x most days) below the tippet ring.
 

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Bass are ADD. They could care less about the leader. They see bug, bug means food, food means kill! You just have to get it in front of one. For a bass leader I will use anything that will turn over the bug I'm tossing. I don't get picky. Big bug means heavier mono and conversely small bug with lighter leader. I don't even worry about taper with bass.

For trout, completely different story. Again you need the proper leader to turn over the bug of choice but there are a lot of other factors that go into spooky trout fishing. Usually longer finer leaders required here. Trout can be really leader shy if given the chance to see it. Fish appropriately.

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Bass are ADD. They could care less about the leader. They see bug, bug means food, food means kill! You just have to get it in front of one. For a bass leader I will use anything that will turn over the bug I'm tossing. I don't get picky. Big bug means heavier mono and conversely small bug with lighter leader. I don't even worry about taper with bass.

For trout, completely different story. Again you need the proper leader to turn over the bug of choice but there are a lot of other factors that go into spooky trout fishing. Usually longer finer leaders required here. Trout can be really leader shy if given the chance to see it. Fish appropriately.

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I have been thinking about how to reply to this thread, and I have not read anything above I disagree with. So keeping to DH rods and floating lines, here are my thoughts
1. You need a leader to help you set-up, which probably means 9' minimum, but if you can go short er, then do so. You will not affect fish catching in most cases - especially for bass.
2. If I am going to fish small wets and spiders for trout, I would think 9-12'.
3. Leaders do not need to be complex, and I prefer the stiffness of Chameleon at 30# at tip. I trade a smaller diameter leader top for stiffer material.
4. In the last 3-4', I transition to fluorocarbon - 10-14lb Seaquar Blue. If fishing a wee wet, then I will go to 2 steps in fluoro to 6'.

Right now, my bass want to hit the fly (streamer muddler) below the surface. It does not need to be 3' below, but it must be swim below. Place the fly on the surface will tempt them, but they are cautious on those last 6" to the surface. Maybe, it is the Osprey or Bald Eagles, but they get cautious in those last inches.

Then I use a 3D Scandi line from Guideline, but I am using a rod with a higher grain window from Meiser. Wither a FHI or FIS2

I have sink tips also with my Meiser 1264 - 324gr line and Steve included 10' RIO Versileaders.
 

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Standard formula for trout and smallies: 2-2.5 feet of 40 or 45 pound nylon. 1.5-2 feet of 30-35 pound, 1.5 feet 25 pound and then I make up the tippet end as needed with .011 fluorocarbon.
I used GHalliday's suggestion with the new Rio In Touch Trout Spey 305 grains #4 22 ft. long shooting head on my Winston BIII TH 4 wt Micro Spey and am thrilled with the performance. Small bead head buggers, muddlers and mini Intruders cast beautifully. First fish was a bluegill on smallmouth water, but the trout should look out, ' cause this will fish and swing great, alternating with versileaders. Thank you all for stepping up my game.

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Lately my softie setup has been a 5ft intermediate poly with about 20” of 8lb maxima, then 5lb maxima, 15” or so to the dropper and another 20 or so to the point. I just use the tag end of a blood knot for my dropper. I think the longer poly makes a better anchor though. I change it up a lot.
 

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Lately my softie setup has been a 5ft intermediate poly with about 20” of 8lb maxima, then 5lb maxima, 15” or so to the dropper and another 20 or so to the point. I just use the tag end of a blood knot for my dropper. I think the longer poly makes a better anchor though. I change it up a lot.
KilgoreT, Do you put a tippet ring on the end of the poly leader?

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KilgoreT, Do you put a tippet ring on the end of the poly leader?

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I just use a loop to loop, tied small and neat. Not really a fan of tippet rings. I prefer knots. I just haven't had good luck with tippet rings and I think two nonslip loops are stronger than two clinch knots.

I also use all mono too. Both have their benefits. For all mono, I just go with a leader at least as long as the rod. I use the stiffer/thicker tag of the blood knot for my droppers. Pretty rare that this knot breaks, unless weakened by crappy casting/unfixed tailing loops.
 

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On my 'skagit' setup I rarely use a leader an longer than 2' looped to the sink tip. Bloodknot pieces of Maxima Ultragreen together. Usually start at 12lb, perfection looped to the tip, then step down to 8lb, then sometimes 6lb. The fly is usually something in the range of 14-22 grains soaking wet.
 
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On my 'skagit' setup I rarely use a leader an longer than 2' looped to the sink tip. Bloodknot pieces of Maxima Ultragreen together. Usually start at 12lb, perfection looped to the tip, then step down to 8lb, then sometimes 6lb. The fly is usually something in the range of 14-22 grains soaking wet.
Word. My skagit setup is usually just 30” of 8lb Maxima, but I’ve tapered like yours as well. Last winter I had good success with a leech on a short dropper at 20” and a Carey Special or other large soft hackle about 20” behind it. For minnow imitations I just go with a single. Most of the time I use the Riffle or Run OPST tips. Riffle more frequently.
 

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4-5' of 15lb fluoro off my sink tips. The odd time I will taper with 2ft of 40lb big game followed by 3ft of fluoro if I'm feeling chintzy.

Rage heads is usually a polyleader (Usually floating) followed by 7-10 feet of tapered leader from 25-15-12 for dries.
 

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Most of the time I use the Riffle or Run OPST tips. Riffle more frequently.
Interesting, I see the OPST Riffle is only 2/3 sink rate. I added a type 3 tip to my stuff this year and quickly learned I need to use it more. As we often hear, they like to hold in the water we are usually standing in!
 
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Interesting, I see the OPST Riffle is only 2/3 sink rate. I added a type 3 tip to my stuff this year and quickly learned I need to use it more. As we often hear, they like to hold in the water we are usually standing in!
I like a Type III and if I only had one tip, that's probably what I'd use. It depends on what you're trying to do. I sometimes fish straight across for trout, but I also like to quarter and mend up behind the fly and count them down and pulse them. Depends on the fly weight, too. Those tungsten head leeches go down quick. When it's 3-6 feet deep and decent current I usually go with the Run. Under 3 feet or slower runs, the Type III/Riffle or even an intermediate poly is enough for me. Generally, I fish small flies (#10-#18) on polys and mono, and minnow flies (#10 and up) on the Riffle and Run, and vary the size and weight of the streamer, too.
 
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