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When I think of the normal range of trout hooks, I think anywhere between 12 and 18. From what I've learned, a size 4 trailing hook is standard for an articulated/intruder type fly. I've tied a handful of these patterns. They look super fishy but they also seem like they'd be overkill when targeting smaller fish, which lead me to my questions.

For those of you double handing for trout, how small do you go with your flies?
Does anyone use a conventional trout pattern when spey fishing?
 

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When using small leech/sculpin tube patterns I will use something like 6 or 8 for a trailing hook.

I also use more traditional patterns as well but make some minor modifications. Things like simi seal leeches and buggers, for the weight, I tie a small dumbbell on instead of a cone/bead and orient the dumbbell so that it's on the opposing side to the barb/point of the hook. This helps keep the hook riding up and I find I hang up a lot less often. For this I typically use standard streamer hooks anywhere from size 4-8. Of course you can adjust this to your needs. Hope that helps.

Also you can get small and use typical wet flies and soft hackles to swing as well. These work great when they aren't going for meatier offerings
 

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When using small leech/sculpin tube patterns I will use something like 6 or 8 for a trailing hook.

I also use more traditional patterns as well but make some minor modifications. Things like simi seal leeches and buggers, for the weight, I tie a small dumbbell on instead of a cone/bead and orient the dumbbell so that it's on the opposing side to the barb/point of the hook. This helps keep the hook riding up and I find I hang up a lot less often. For this I typically use standard streamer hooks anywhere from size 4-8. Of course you can adjust this to your needs. Hope that helps.

Also you can get small and use typical wet flies and soft hackles to swing as well. These work great when they aren't going for meatier offerings
What are you using for trailing wire for smaller hooks? Senyo's Intruder wire, or something like Firewire or Power Pro? I've been using standard intruder wire for size 4 hooks and it's a squeeze. I see they offer thinner stuff, but haven't tried it. I've used PowerPro for trailing wire, but it's pretty limp in comparison and I'm afraid the whole thing will flop about without support from tying into a rabbit strip or some such. I've also thought about using a tube for support between the shank and hook eye - like the Aqua Flies kit only smaller - but haven't gotten much farther than just thinking about it.
 

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I love throwing intruder style/size for steelhead, but don't see the need for them for most trout spey. A 3 or 4x streamer hook, or a wet fly hook cover most of what I swing for trout. Usually 6's and 8's, and some smaller soft hackle wet flies.

having the hook in the center mass or slightly rear seems to get most fish, without the hook being so far back as to foul the fish in areas other than the mouth.
 

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Would anyone like to share some pics of their favorite patterns? I'd appreciate any inspiration to tie up some new flies.
 

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Tubes and shanks aren't really my cup of tea, so I can't tell you much about trailing hooks. My trout flies range from sculpin imitations tied on size 3 AJ's at the big end to size 12 soft hackles at the small. (Every so often, I'll pick up a trout on a bigger streamer when I'm bass fishing.) I would probably tie and fish 14's and/or 16's, but I'm getting to that age where threading those suckers on tippets is frustrating without magnifiers or bi-focals, and I'm still in too much denial about lost youth to buy those.
 

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Just tie up a bunch of six-packs in different sizes and colors and you're good to swing.
 

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My common flies would be ....
1. Marabou Muďler, often with wide head on 6
2. Conehead muddler, 8
3. Sculpzilla, 8
4. Tube Bunnies 6, but with my new tubes I will go smaller.

And then if I want to go small, use traditional wet flies.
 

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It depends on the fish and water conditions. I fish everything from #16 soft hackles to #6 traditional styled spey flies and slump busters. When the fish are aggressive, you might be surprised how small of a trout will attack a big streamer.
For streamers, weighted or unweighted, I don't like trailing hooks... too much tail material gets fouled by the hook for me. I mostly tie smaller flies on larger hooks. This keeps the fouling to a minimum and helps to hook up on short-striking fish. It's been done by many for a very long time.
Here lately my most consistent fly has been a #12 green butt skunk tied on a #8 Tmc 200r hook. It has taken everything from 6" brookies to 20"+ rainbows and browns.
Good luck!
 

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Here lately my most consistent fly has been a #12 green butt skunk tied on a #8 Tmc 200r hook. It has taken everything from 6" brookies to 20"+ rainbows and browns.
Good luck!
This is the thought that crossed my mind sometime last night. Just tie up what some would consider a traditional steelhead pattern on a smaller hook.

Thanks for all the help and pics and advice. I'll try to tie up a few today and post them. Let's keep it rolling!
 

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Trout spey fly sizing

This is the thought that crossed my mind sometime last night. Just tie up what some would consider a traditional steelhead pattern on a smaller hook.

Thanks for all the help and pics and advice. I'll try to tie up a few today and post them. Let's keep it rolling!
Absolutely, or just steelhead patterns. Like it was mentioned before, it is surprising on what trout will go after. When I bought my first commando head, I was fishing the Truckee, and i wanted to see what size fly I could get away with on my 5wt z-axis, i swung up Lahontan on a 3.5" small dumbbell eyed intruder ( before they started to reintroduce them back in that water, to my knowledge. It was awesome! ) On another river in the Sierras, i've had monsters come and chase and engulf the smaller fish I have hooked. One was a 33+" brown that chased the 12" rainbow i caught and downriver from there, another time, a 25" brown ate the 7" rainbow I hooked. Needless to say, before i go back there this summer, i am tying some LARGE rainbow colored intruders. I've also caught steelhead on very small soft hackles. Would I fish traditional patterns as well? Absofrickenlutely! If you go streamer fishing on the Yellowstone, 7" feathers are not abnormal.

A lot just depends on the water and the conditions I am fishing... And what fish I know are in the systems.
 

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Here are a couple of mine. The first one is a simple pheasant tail flymph with a partridge collar and ice dub peacock thorax tied on a TMC200R size 8. The second is my spin the Freight Train summer steelhead pattern tied on a TMC7999 size 8.
 

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What are you using for trailing wire for smaller hooks? Senyo's Intruder wire, or something like Firewire or Power Pro? I've been using standard intruder wire for size 4 hooks and it's a squeeze. I see they offer thinner stuff, but haven't tried it. I've used PowerPro for trailing wire, but it's pretty limp in comparison and I'm afraid the whole thing will flop about without support from tying into a rabbit strip or some such. I've also thought about using a tube for support between the shank and hook eye - like the Aqua Flies kit only smaller - but haven't gotten much farther than just thinking about it.
Sorry, I may have explained that incorrectly. For trout whenever I am not using a traditional hook I tie on tubes. I just find that it's much easier to get small with a tube rather than trying to tie a mini intruder with trailer wire.
 

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Tube bunnies, size 6

goto to https://raspberryfisher.wordpress.com/2019/03/26/tube-bunny-shape/
https://raspberryfisher.wordpress.com/2017/05/06/tube-bunnies-supporting-notes/

Of course other people will have over preferences, but I did experiment and selected mine for traditional ProTube tubes.

Straight eye into the tube:
Gamakatsu C14S 8 or 6.
alternative: Raven Specialist

Up turn eye, trailing:
Gamakatsi 02306 Octopus 8
Mustad 92568 BLN 6

Any fish that will take these tube bunny, will have no issue with these hooks.
 

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