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All I can say about these is one word: “WOW!”

Unreal lines ......no gimmick here
 

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Glad you're liking 'em. I've been a fan of the heads since they first came out and recently added a smooth version that is a great integrated line. They work so well on single handers and trout switch rods. Got to give credit to Ed & Jerry for being innovative leaders in the micro skagit development.
 

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All I can say about these is one word: “WOW!”

Unreal lines ......no gimmick here
What are you using them on? I find unless It's been a single hander they were too short for me. I even tried one on my 10ft 8wt single hander and didn't care for it. The Ambush lines seem to work much better for me.

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What are you using them on? I find unless It's been a single hander they were too short for me. I even tried one on my 10ft 8wt single hander and didn't care for it. The Ambush lines seem to work much better for me.

Dan
I picked up an OPST for my 10ft 8wt Quantum single hander and will say it's just "OK".
Like Dan, I prefer the Wulff Ambush.


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All I can say about these is one word: “WOW!”

Unreal lines ......no gimmick here
What are you using them on? I find unless It's been a single hander they were too short for me. I even tried one on my 10ft 8wt single hander and didn't care for it. The Ambush lines seem to work much better for me.

Dan
Huh......I was casting them on a 12’6” 6wt and a 13’4” 8wt.......absolutely jacked across the river....friggin unbelievable!! Easiest casting heads I’ve ever cast! Monster fly on the end as well with heavy tip.....single Spey, snake roll, double Spey, snap T, perry poke, didn’t matter, just effortless blasting across the pond. I couldn’t believe it actually
What are you using them on? I find unless It's been a single hander they were too short for me. I even tried one on my 10ft 8wt single hander and didn't care for it. The Ambush lines seem to work much better for me.

Dan
I picked up an OPST for my 10ft 8wt Quantum single hander and will say it's just "OK".
Like Dan, I prefer the Wulff Ambush.


Mike
Never tried them for single hand rods Mike, I was using them on a 12’6” 6wt and a 13’4” 8wt and they just absolutely jacked across the river. Unreal man, just sailing off the end of the rod.....I couldn’t believe it! I’ve never casted anything so easy and effortless. We were using some pretty big winter flies and had no issues sending it out wherever we wanted. Wind? No problem! I’ve never casted anything that sailed like these
 

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I just order the commando groove head. 5’ float 10’ intermediate. Interested to try it out
You’ll love it! When you use a longer Spey rod, just keep rod angle lower, almost like a sidearm. It just friggin blasts out there like nobody’s business!
 

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I like my Commando Heads. My longest rod is a 7137 Onyx and it’s the only one I don’t run a Commando on even though I can. All of my Beulahs love Commandos as do the H2s and the Death Star. You definitely need to adjust your stroke but when they fire they can really fly. I’m surprised you are just finding them.
 

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I like my Commando Heads. My longest rod is a 7137 Onyx and it’s the only one I don’t run a Commando on even though I can. All of my Beulahs love Commandos as do the H2s and the Death Star. You definitely need to adjust your stroke but when they fire they can really fly. I’m surprised you are just finding them.
Haha, me too! I’ve known about them, but never tested them out. Going to use it on my 12’6” 6wt since that’s the shortest Spey rod I have and the one I tested it the most on 👍 it’s hard to wrap your mind around the lower grain weight man, but it works!
 

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Haha, me too! I’ve known about them, but never tested them out. Going to use it on my 12’6” 6wt since that’s the shortest Spey rod I have and the one I tested it the most on 👍 it’s hard to wrap your mind around the lower grain weight man, but it works!
Ive got all of the Commando Heads (I think) so if you're looking to test out let me know and I can loan you a few for stamps.
 

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Haha, me too! I’ve known about them, but never tested them out. Going to use it on my 12’6” 6wt since that’s the shortest Spey rod I have and the one I tested it the most on 👍 it’s hard to wrap your mind around the lower grain weight man, but it works!
Ive got all of the Commando Heads (I think) so if you're looking to test out let me know and I can loan you a few for stamps.
Thanks man!
 

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What have you been using up until this eureka moment? Are you normally a skagit slinger?

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What have you been using up until this eureka moment? Are you normally a skagit slinger?

Dan
Hey Dan, I like both skagits and scandis......and I still like them very much! I was just blown away at how powerful and easy to cast a 15’ skagit is on a Spey rod.

I don’t think there is 1 line that is the ‘best’. I love the FIST Skagit head a ton, and I love Rios Skagit Max tapers. I have some SGS Scandiod that rock, and another Scandi that is sweet.

The OPST is unique. It’s short (easiest line to cast when you are tight to the bank) loads extremely well, and launches effortlessly.
 
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Huh......I was casting them on a 12’6” 6wt and a 13’4” 8wt.......absolutely jacked across the river....friggin unbelievable!! Easiest casting heads I’ve ever cast! Monster fly on the end as well with heavy tip.....single Spey, snake roll, double Spey, snap T, perry poke, didn’t matter, just effortless blasting across the pond. I couldn’t believe it actually


Never tried them for single hand rods Mike, I was using them on a 12’6” 6wt and a 13’4” 8wt and they just absolutely jacked across the river. Unreal man, just sailing off the end of the rod.....I couldn’t believe it! I’ve never casted anything so easy and effortless. We were using some pretty big winter flies and had no issues sending it out wherever we wanted. Wind? No problem! I’ve never casted anything that sailed like these
A good friend received quite a few of these heads when they first debuted. He strung'em with CF Burkheimer's 11 footers when those where still fresh on the market too. He did quite well fishing in close using tandem tube flies.

I too, am with "just OK" about these. Just not into heads as much and could only think "Royal Wulff Ambush flylines" when I got to cast it a few times.

There is now an "intergrated" Commando version too.

Lot of guys used the Ambush (in heavier weights) with 12 and 13 foot rods in tight spots back them.
 

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A good friend received quite a few of these heads when they first debuted. He strung'em with CF Burkheimer's 11 footers when those where still fresh on the market too. He did quite well fishing in close using tandem tube flies.

I too, am with "just OK" about these. Just not into heads as much and could only think "Royal Wulff Ambush flylines" when I got to cast it a few times.

There is now an "intergrated" Commando version too.

Lot of guys used the Ambush (in heavier weights) with 12 and 13 foot rods in tight spots back them.[/QUOTE]

Never tried the Ambush heads, sounds interesting. I’ve never tried OPST heads in switch rods though either. For what it’s worth, my limited experience is primarily with an Echo TR 12’6” 6wt
 

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I don't think I ill go through the effort of trying to match ubber short heads with my long rods.
As I progress with my two-handers, I find more enjoyment using longer lines. I guess it could be the effects of slowing down and the rhythmatic approach to the casting parody .... :D
These lines are in tune with my payloads ... or shall I say that I tune my payloads to these lines. Regardless, I still get the tugs and get to touch the odd fin.

Not so much being a head, more so being a really short head. I see the advantages with being in close quarters and also with the limited room within the envelope of the sections of rivers that I fish this OPST head. I find the Ambush, though a little longer, easier to cast. I will say the OPST does deliver a remarkable payload. So as advertised, these heads live up to their design and function.

Take my opinion with a grain of salt ... this is coming from a guy who has now convinced himself that a DT is what I need for my single hander. I'm going way back to "old school GL's style" steelheading :smokin::smokin:


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I don't think I ill go through the effort of trying to match ubber short heads with my long rods.
As I progress with my two-handers, I find more enjoyment using longer lines. I guess it could be the effects of slowing down and the rhythmatic approach to the casting parody .... <img src="http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
These lines are in tune with my payloads ... or shall I say that I tune my payloads to these lines. Regardless, I still get the tugs and get to touch the odd fin.

Not so much being a head, more so being a really short head. I see the advantages with being in close quarters and also with the limited room within the envelope of the sections of rivers that I fish this OPST head. I find the Ambush, though a little longer, easier to cast. I will say the OPST does deliver a remarkable payload. So as advertised, these heads live up to their design and function.

Take my opinion with a grain of salt ... this is coming from a guy who has now convinced himself that a DT is what I need for my single hander. I'm going way back to "old school GL's style" steelheading <img src="http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/images/smilies/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smokin" class="inlineimg" /><img src="http://www.speypages.com/speyclave/images/smilies/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smokin" class="inlineimg" />


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Oh yeah, for sure Mike!

I never meant my post to sound like “one line to rule them all!” Hahahaha

I like different lines to not only suit the condition, but my mood!

I was just pleasantly surprised my this head on my spey rod, that’s all.

It’s like hunting man......some people use Bows, some use their grandpas 30-30 Winchester, some like a .300 Win Mag, etc etc.

Me personally, I like em all! 😉 they all get deer, and it depends what gives you the most joy and what you are willing to go through to accomplish that I suppose
 

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I'm with Mike on this one. The slow rhythmic approach is relaxing. I think the short heads tend to be more aggressive and "unrelaxing". I do like the concept of being able to fire out a good size payload when needed but I don't find myself needing that very often.

If you haven't tried the Ambush lines I strongly suggest you do. They will still through a reasonable payload while maintaining some longer line characteristics. It's a nice "compromise". I don't know if like Mike I need a DT but it might be fun!

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On single and double handed rods DT lines basically lift and drop, the weight at the 'back end' of the line prevents much or any 'shoot', the tapered front end gives delicate turnover; they are good for simple roll casts and even mini spey casts in tight corners.

Many trout anglers (myself included) cut DT lines in half joining it to a running line, in effect, turning it into a shooting head as a single or double haul, with the head outside of the guides' enables a delicate and surprisingly long 'shoot'. I have a 10wt which works well for bass on a Sage 8wt.

Talking of 'old school' , try a 4 DT silk line on a single handed light bamboo trout rod, it almost hangs in the air..

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Some great opinions here! Its nice and funny to see people who are passionate about ambush, as i notice anyone who picks one up feels this way :),, There a beast of line :) and i think highly of them.

though personally when it comes to comparing skagit heads (i,e a 350 grain opst,350 rio short max, 350 s.a skagit lite, etc) I wouldn't put them in that catagory. The taper is something we really have to look at . Keeping the line comparison in the same weight class My 350 ambush is 25 feet it as has a more pronounced taper then skagit short lines by opst, S.A new lite and rio's max short. this leads it to having some extra great benefits a scandi line could have but I think for traditional skagit work. throwing T material with 3-6 inch flies on the lightest possible head i always will use lines like opst . Though opst specifically shines on medium small rivers. for the bigger ones i feel The traditional skagit lines cast farther/better. The drawback is that i feel you have to be more precise with your casting. The crazy condensed mass of a opst is so powerful its gonna go even with a wonky stroke. I feel the longer line has its mass spread out so you don't get raw power unless your sas cast is precise. The opst line is like the equivalent of casting a spoon on a spinning rod. The line can hide flaws (definitely a good and bad thing)....The 350 by 15 foot opst is a like 25 foot 350 ambush folded over and melted. Just think of the insane width with there LOG like taper your getting with condensing that 10 feet. To me the line casts like a spinning rod its so easy. Again this actually has some drawbacks imo. when i Go to big river like the grand and use a traditional skagit line rio skagit max. My cast has many hidden flaws that get more pronounced


with all that said i could do the opposite and write up situations where i think a wulff has better uses then opst. i really respect all of your guys opinions. Your likely more experienced then me. Im probably getting excited seeing something new to me as a spey fisherman with only 5 years to his name.

I could be objectively wrong based on physics of the lines too. I do think opst lines shine in fishing big flies with t tips and at the lightest grain weight. Im sure you guys know skagit was invented to throw the intruder. They knew it could be done with say a 13 or 14 weight line and big rod. Thats just no fun fighting say a 6 to 9 pound steelhead though.

With great respect: Michael P.
 
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