Tape or wax or both or nothing (survey)
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Doing nothing I broke 2. Now I tape (slow learner)
Doing nothing I broke 2. Now I tape (slow learner)
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The question I like to ask instead is "do your spey rod ferrules ever come loose after a while when untaped?".
If the answer is yes and you're not a taper, then you're probably about due for some trauma. It only takes that one fall day when the temperature changes 20 degrees from dawn to noon, or the rolling fish had your concentration off at the riverside when you strung it up, or that one big double reverse gainer snake pop and shoot had too much anchor and the physics of making things easier to carry come back and bite you in the butt.
If the answer is no, then the person either has very few rods, casts only with the lightest touch in tiny streams for short periods, or else has experienced a streak of luck exceeding the odds of hitting the tri-state lottery all by his or herself.
I have cast, fished or owned most of the major brands of spey rods and they all have come loose when subject to fishing over time. Wax or no wax.
Do I tape? Absolutely yes! IMHO, if you don't good luck to ya!
If the answer is yes and you're not a taper, then you're probably about due for some trauma. It only takes that one fall day when the temperature changes 20 degrees from dawn to noon, or the rolling fish had your concentration off at the riverside when you strung it up, or that one big double reverse gainer snake pop and shoot had too much anchor and the physics of making things easier to carry come back and bite you in the butt.
If the answer is no, then the person either has very few rods, casts only with the lightest touch in tiny streams for short periods, or else has experienced a streak of luck exceeding the odds of hitting the tri-state lottery all by his or herself.
I have cast, fished or owned most of the major brands of spey rods and they all have come loose when subject to fishing over time. Wax or no wax.
Do I tape? Absolutely yes! IMHO, if you don't good luck to ya!
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Hey juro, guys-
What kind of tape do you use to tape your joints? Also, do you go ahead and tape even spigot ferrules rods, and how is this best done?
Zach
What kind of tape do you use to tape your joints? Also, do you go ahead and tape even spigot ferrules rods, and how is this best done?
Zach
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I tape always when throwing long bellied lines. Wax only when throwing short heads and mostlt tape when throwing Mid-Spey length lines. I know I should tape always but yes I do get lazy.
Unlike our very own Kush who always tapes. In fact, the man is so fanatical about it that he even tapes his cigars. If you ask me, this is carrying it a bit too far.
As for my choice of tape -- 3M electrical
Unlike our very own Kush who always tapes. In fact, the man is so fanatical about it that he even tapes his cigars. If you ask me, this is carrying it a bit too far.
As for my choice of tape -- 3M electrical
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Hey kush looks like he tapes.......is this because of intrudermadness!
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Oh, yeah! :chuckle: Hey don't worry about it buddy, it was me who handed you the untaped rod at the show in the first place (oops!). Even still only a little nibble of the spigot got bit off by the female end and frankly we've been casting the heck out of it since! None the worse for wear.
After Friday Nobuo and I were up into the wee hours as he made design modifications to put a "layman's flex" into that blank across the series, well most of the series. Although the current tournament taper yields a lot of power after practice, we decided that it was more important to be accomodating to those picking up the two-handed overhand power rods for the first time. Once completed, I'd like to get your opinion on them and thanks for helping us out, you're a heck of a caster!
After Friday Nobuo and I were up into the wee hours as he made design modifications to put a "layman's flex" into that blank across the series, well most of the series. Although the current tournament taper yields a lot of power after practice, we decided that it was more important to be accomodating to those picking up the two-handed overhand power rods for the first time. Once completed, I'd like to get your opinion on them and thanks for helping us out, you're a heck of a caster!
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Kush has a good method, tape like a splint - first along the blank, then spiral over.
I just spiral over for quick sorties, but use his 2-step method for full days, weekends, etc. The key is to prevent the female ferrule from slipping off to the point where the shock of a cast shears the tubular structure of the rod.
Andre showed me an excellent idea and has got re-wrapping the tape around the blank at the starting point after fishing. This way you re-use the tape for a few trips. That way the tape is just sitting there when you set up, and if you don't use it, well it's my own fault. Works like a charm!
I'll admit if it's just a pre-work hour I might not tape but they're always waxed and I check the ferrules frequently. Regardless of the ferrule style, model or brand mine come loose when spey casting. Fishing hard while untaped is like unsafe sex, Russian roulette. A rep from a major brand once told me the majority of spey rod breakages come from untaped loosened ferrules, I believe it - that and testing of new winter steelhead rods on chum
Taping is good. IMHO if you feel a ferrule get loose and tighten it, you just dodged a bullet. Spey casting inherently loosens ferrules, snake rolling, snap-t, double spey, etc. My guess is after one explosion that spey caster will tape for life!
I just spiral over for quick sorties, but use his 2-step method for full days, weekends, etc. The key is to prevent the female ferrule from slipping off to the point where the shock of a cast shears the tubular structure of the rod.
Andre showed me an excellent idea and has got re-wrapping the tape around the blank at the starting point after fishing. This way you re-use the tape for a few trips. That way the tape is just sitting there when you set up, and if you don't use it, well it's my own fault. Works like a charm!
I'll admit if it's just a pre-work hour I might not tape but they're always waxed and I check the ferrules frequently. Regardless of the ferrule style, model or brand mine come loose when spey casting. Fishing hard while untaped is like unsafe sex, Russian roulette. A rep from a major brand once told me the majority of spey rod breakages come from untaped loosened ferrules, I believe it - that and testing of new winter steelhead rods on chum
Taping is good. IMHO if you feel a ferrule get loose and tighten it, you just dodged a bullet. Spey casting inherently loosens ferrules, snake rolling, snap-t, double spey, etc. My guess is after one explosion that spey caster will tape for life!
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Juro:
I wish we would have had the room to really give your CND rods a chance to perform. I was impressed with how easily they loaded and the feel that they maintained even with the additional length and weight. I beleive that "feel" in a rod is one of it's most important casting characteristics regardless of action. All that aside you are such a good caster I think you could make any rod look good.
I found it interesting that even when the rod did finally break it was the top 1/4" of the ferrel. Talk about a strong blank.
Let me know when you want to get into some pig browns. I'm ready to get my rod bent by some of those stripers I keep seeing you guys hook up with.
John
I wish we would have had the room to really give your CND rods a chance to perform. I was impressed with how easily they loaded and the feel that they maintained even with the additional length and weight. I beleive that "feel" in a rod is one of it's most important casting characteristics regardless of action. All that aside you are such a good caster I think you could make any rod look good.
I found it interesting that even when the rod did finally break it was the top 1/4" of the ferrel. Talk about a strong blank.
Let me know when you want to get into some pig browns. I'm ready to get my rod bent by some of those stripers I keep seeing you guys hook up with.
John
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·I wax (actually parafin) AND tape without exception. The tape I found that works best for me is 3M Decorate and Repair. It leaves a lot less residue and comes in colors that almost match several rod blanks. It also comes in clear. I got a roll of this in green with my Winston Derek Brown Favorite (included in the tube) and decided it was worth the time to try and find more of it. Though not as cheap as most black electrical tape, the time saved in not having to remove as much residue seems to be a fair tradeoff. Be sure to do the longitudinal strip before doing the spiral wrap. The spiral wrap by itself is of only minimal help in keeping ferrules tight.
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Wax & Tape
I wax and tape, always. I ususlly use electrical tape, but will probably go with JR's choice when I can get some 3M tape.
I have never had a failure at a ferrule, single or two handed. I have had a single and two spey rods break from blank failure.
I broke one spey rod riding a mountain bike on the Deschutes with the rod strung up. A gust of wind pushed the tip into a sagebrush and ruined a trip. Needless to say, I never bike with the rod rigged now - sometimes we do learn.
I wax and tape, always. I ususlly use electrical tape, but will probably go with JR's choice when I can get some 3M tape.
I have never had a failure at a ferrule, single or two handed. I have had a single and two spey rods break from blank failure.
I broke one spey rod riding a mountain bike on the Deschutes with the rod strung up. A gust of wind pushed the tip into a sagebrush and ruined a trip. Needless to say, I never bike with the rod rigged now - sometimes we do learn.
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