t&t 1307-3
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I've been using a Mid-spey 6/7 on mine and am happy with it. I have occasionally used sinking leaders but so far no sinking heads.
This is a rod that my wife really likes to cast. Both she and I like it with the 6/7 MidSpey or other mid-belly lines. I have not cast it with the 7/8 GrandSpey or 6/7 XLT; but the rod was not really designed as for casting and fishing at 100 ft.
Yes, Speybum, as soon as the new job arrives, she will be getting the one you have as her Christmas gift.
Yes, Speybum, as soon as the new job arrives, she will be getting the one you have as her Christmas gift.
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Wonderful stick! I fish the 6/7 Long Delta on mine although many prefer the 6/7 Midspey. Last week I ended up fishing it on the Skeena system with a 14' fast sinking polyleader looped on the end and a 1/0 spey fly. Didn't faze it a bit.
It is responsive with 5 pound summer fish and I have also had no problem landing bigger fish up to 16 pounds on it.
It is responsive with 5 pound summer fish and I have also had no problem landing bigger fish up to 16 pounds on it.
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T&T 1307
I concur with sinktip. This is a wonderful rod which fishes bigger than it really is and handles small and large fish well. I use the MS 6/7 line on it. Originally, I found the Type VI sinker to be a bit much, so I cut 3' off it and now it fishes great; the Type III is no problem with this rod and casting the dry line is effortless.
As one reader stated, the rod will never be a good tournament casting rod, so if you regularly fish rivers where 100' casts are needed, this probably isn't the best rod. That being said, 99% of the world's great steelie/salmon rivers rarely require a cast of over 80' to reach good holding water, so this rod really handles any river you can throw at it.
As I've stated before, this is a great "one rod" to have!
BFR
I concur with sinktip. This is a wonderful rod which fishes bigger than it really is and handles small and large fish well. I use the MS 6/7 line on it. Originally, I found the Type VI sinker to be a bit much, so I cut 3' off it and now it fishes great; the Type III is no problem with this rod and casting the dry line is effortless.
As one reader stated, the rod will never be a good tournament casting rod, so if you regularly fish rivers where 100' casts are needed, this probably isn't the best rod. That being said, 99% of the world's great steelie/salmon rivers rarely require a cast of over 80' to reach good holding water, so this rod really handles any river you can throw at it.
As I've stated before, this is a great "one rod" to have!
BFR
T & T 13 foot 7-weight Spey R
Gerald,
This rod takes your breath away! Don't practice cast one unless you are ready to purchase OR lose sleep for several weeks!
I have not fished a floating line yet, but this baby handles ANY 15 foot sink tip. In July I landed a 10 pound Dean River hen and last week I landed a 12 pound Kispiox buck on the T&T 1307. Last April I landed a small chromer on Oregon's Trask River. The rod is sturdy, and allows you to put big pressure on strong fish. I do believe that for fish over 12 pounds a 9-weight rod is a better choice.
95% of folks who cast my 1307 turn around after one cast with the biggest grin you can imagine, saying 'I'm gonna buy this rod!'
It will cast a barbell lead eye leech and a Type 8 15-foot sink tip with no more effort than casting a 5 or 6 weight single hand rod. This is not an exaggeration.
The line I use with this rod is a "Skagit line" shown to me by PNW Master Guide Mike McCune. The line has a 40-foot head and is made up of two parts. The 25-foot belly of 300-grains is from a Rio WC8.9.10; there is no tip 2; the 15-foot tip 1 is 150-grains from a WC9.10.11 line. The two parts together weigh 450-grains which, not coincidentally, is the weight of Rio's WC6.7.8 full head.
You can install heavier than 150-grains tips with no more casting effort required.
Without shooting line the cast distance is 57-feet consisting of 25-foot belly, 15-foot tip 1, 4-foot leader and 13-foot rod. Shooting a rod length or two of line is effortless, yielding casting distances of:
-for one rod length shoot: 57+13=70-feet
-for two rod lengths shoot: 57+13+13=83-feet.
I own a WC6.7.8 tips line for this rod, but have not cast it yet. It is hard to leave perfection!
The T&T DH1307/3--Skagit line performance is so startlingly superb that one cannot comment knowledgeably without casting and fishing it personally. Again, this is not an exaggeration.
Gerald,
This rod takes your breath away! Don't practice cast one unless you are ready to purchase OR lose sleep for several weeks!
I have not fished a floating line yet, but this baby handles ANY 15 foot sink tip. In July I landed a 10 pound Dean River hen and last week I landed a 12 pound Kispiox buck on the T&T 1307. Last April I landed a small chromer on Oregon's Trask River. The rod is sturdy, and allows you to put big pressure on strong fish. I do believe that for fish over 12 pounds a 9-weight rod is a better choice.
95% of folks who cast my 1307 turn around after one cast with the biggest grin you can imagine, saying 'I'm gonna buy this rod!'
It will cast a barbell lead eye leech and a Type 8 15-foot sink tip with no more effort than casting a 5 or 6 weight single hand rod. This is not an exaggeration.
The line I use with this rod is a "Skagit line" shown to me by PNW Master Guide Mike McCune. The line has a 40-foot head and is made up of two parts. The 25-foot belly of 300-grains is from a Rio WC8.9.10; there is no tip 2; the 15-foot tip 1 is 150-grains from a WC9.10.11 line. The two parts together weigh 450-grains which, not coincidentally, is the weight of Rio's WC6.7.8 full head.
You can install heavier than 150-grains tips with no more casting effort required.
Without shooting line the cast distance is 57-feet consisting of 25-foot belly, 15-foot tip 1, 4-foot leader and 13-foot rod. Shooting a rod length or two of line is effortless, yielding casting distances of:
-for one rod length shoot: 57+13=70-feet
-for two rod lengths shoot: 57+13+13=83-feet.
I own a WC6.7.8 tips line for this rod, but have not cast it yet. It is hard to leave perfection!
The T&T DH1307/3--Skagit line performance is so startlingly superb that one cannot comment knowledgeably without casting and fishing it personally. Again, this is not an exaggeration.
Or if T&T redesigned the 1509 to be the casting machine it should be. They have redesigned the 1309 to be the casting machine it should have been from the beginning, now I'd like to see them redesign the 1509 in the same way, including offering it in both 3 and 5 piece versions.
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1509
I wouldn't change the 1509 very much. The only thing I don't like about it is that it is a 3 pc. Otherwise I am satisfied with it
I wouldn't change the 1509 very much. The only thing I don't like about it is that it is a 3 pc. Otherwise I am satisfied with it
I would make the mid-section a little bit beafier. The way it is designed now, it has a tendency to fold when pushed with the long-belly lines for longer casts. This is what T&T did with the 1309, which also had a mid-section like the 1509's. When T&T made the 1309-4 and those who cast it liked it so much they asked for the 1309-3 to be redisigned to make the mid-section a little beafier. T&T did so and the rod became a gem, and is now simply a larger line rod than the 1307 with the same casting characteristics.
Right now the T&T 1409 is a much better casting rod in either 3 or 5 piece redentions than the 1509, and it is so because it has a little more power (meaning beafier or stronger) in the mid-section. The T&T 1510-3 and 1510-5 are far superior casting rods than the 1509 because they have the stronger mid-section that I would like to see.
Right now the T&T 1409 is a much better casting rod in either 3 or 5 piece redentions than the 1509, and it is so because it has a little more power (meaning beafier or stronger) in the mid-section. The T&T 1510-3 and 1510-5 are far superior casting rods than the 1509 because they have the stronger mid-section that I would like to see.
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Flytyer what lines aer you using ?
In his reommendations of lines for rods, Simon has an A and B rating. Which do you use? I use the Mid Spey 8-9 and don't recognize the problem that you are talking about. Are you using heavier lines?
In his reommendations of lines for rods, Simon has an A and B rating. Which do you use? I use the Mid Spey 8-9 and don't recognize the problem that you are talking about. Are you using heavier lines?
The 8/9 MidSpey works fine on the rod; however, the rod as currently designed does not have the casting ability of the 1409-3 or 1409-5. And this is due to its softer mid-section, which is what I would like to see redigned in the same way that the 1309-3 was redesigned.
The 1509 as currently made does not like casting the GrandSpey (either the 8/9 or the 7/8), nor does it like casting the 7/8 or 8/9 XLT, and it should be able to do so easily, just like the 1409 does. The softer (weaker) mid-section is the limiting factor in this.
Yes, there are many who feels that the 1509 as currently made is more fun to fight fish on than the 1409-3 or 1409-5, and this is because the softer mid-section causes the rod to bend further when fighting a fish. The trade off, is you lose some casting ability and the rod has a tendency to fold a little when you push it for the really long casts (100ft or more). I'm also aware that the 1509 as currently made feels more friendly to those who have been fishing with slow or medium slow rods because the softer mid-section slows its casting recovery down a bit.
I'd much rather have the more powerful, faster mid-section (like the 1409 and 1309 since its redesign) simply because it casts better. I want to use this rod for larger rivers like the Sky, Hoh, Cowlitz, Skagit during summer/fall low-flow for fish in the 5 to 15 pound area with small low-water flies and wakers. This means I want a rod that very comfortably casts the long-belly lines 100+ feet.
The 1509 as currently made does not like casting the GrandSpey (either the 8/9 or the 7/8), nor does it like casting the 7/8 or 8/9 XLT, and it should be able to do so easily, just like the 1409 does. The softer (weaker) mid-section is the limiting factor in this.
Yes, there are many who feels that the 1509 as currently made is more fun to fight fish on than the 1409-3 or 1409-5, and this is because the softer mid-section causes the rod to bend further when fighting a fish. The trade off, is you lose some casting ability and the rod has a tendency to fold a little when you push it for the really long casts (100ft or more). I'm also aware that the 1509 as currently made feels more friendly to those who have been fishing with slow or medium slow rods because the softer mid-section slows its casting recovery down a bit.
I'd much rather have the more powerful, faster mid-section (like the 1409 and 1309 since its redesign) simply because it casts better. I want to use this rod for larger rivers like the Sky, Hoh, Cowlitz, Skagit during summer/fall low-flow for fish in the 5 to 15 pound area with small low-water flies and wakers. This means I want a rod that very comfortably casts the long-belly lines 100+ feet.
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Does not like the 7/8 xlt??? Dumbfounded on that one. The rod does flex deeper with that line but it hardly overloads. I know the feeling you are talking about- but I differ by saying the 1409 is the one with the problem, not the 1509. Tighten up the casting stroke and stop overpowering the rod. Let the rod do its thing and recoil lightning fast to throw lazer loops. These ARE 9 weights.
True about any of the grandspey's and 8/9 xlt. I guess I prefer a 9 wt that leans towards an 8/9 rather than a 10/11. Besides, the grandspeys are so grossly overweighted as every 10wt spey I own likes the 7/8.
I like the action of the 1509, so much so, I am actually fishing a 15 footer again. Why take this stick and make it into the 1510??? The 1510 LOVES the midspey 9/10 and the 1509 LOVES the midspey 8/9. Casting the two rods side/side, while making my mind up on which one to buy, I took the 1509 because it is much more suited for steelhead. I opted for the Salmo Specialist for a bigger rod as it is a better choice than the 1510 T&T. Much more powerful and lighter.
And back to comparing the 1409 side/side with the 1509. The 1509 is softer in the midsection. But in the end it is MORE powerful and will easily handle more line than the 1409 using the same XLT 7/8. The 1509 has become a great asset for a few of the large inland rivers I frequent. The only reason I picked up the 1409 is for Atlantic Salmon fishing, on medium/large sized rivers, where elephant sized fish are a realistic expectation. And even then I am second guessing my decision through wondering why I dropped the dough to have a rod collect dust 11.75 months a year.
Back to the 1307. After spending considerable hours fishing the 1307 my favorite line is the triangle taper #7. This line is 7 grains/foot over 65' and properly loads the rod without crushing the tip. If distance is my only concern I throw the midspey 6/7 as I can get about 15 additional feet. But even that line feels a bit overloaded.
William
True about any of the grandspey's and 8/9 xlt. I guess I prefer a 9 wt that leans towards an 8/9 rather than a 10/11. Besides, the grandspeys are so grossly overweighted as every 10wt spey I own likes the 7/8.
I like the action of the 1509, so much so, I am actually fishing a 15 footer again. Why take this stick and make it into the 1510??? The 1510 LOVES the midspey 9/10 and the 1509 LOVES the midspey 8/9. Casting the two rods side/side, while making my mind up on which one to buy, I took the 1509 because it is much more suited for steelhead. I opted for the Salmo Specialist for a bigger rod as it is a better choice than the 1510 T&T. Much more powerful and lighter.
And back to comparing the 1409 side/side with the 1509. The 1509 is softer in the midsection. But in the end it is MORE powerful and will easily handle more line than the 1409 using the same XLT 7/8. The 1509 has become a great asset for a few of the large inland rivers I frequent. The only reason I picked up the 1409 is for Atlantic Salmon fishing, on medium/large sized rivers, where elephant sized fish are a realistic expectation. And even then I am second guessing my decision through wondering why I dropped the dough to have a rod collect dust 11.75 months a year.
Back to the 1307. After spending considerable hours fishing the 1307 my favorite line is the triangle taper #7. This line is 7 grains/foot over 65' and properly loads the rod without crushing the tip. If distance is my only concern I throw the midspey 6/7 as I can get about 15 additional feet. But even that line feels a bit overloaded.
William
Speaking of the 1307, it is my favorite light line 2-hander and I really like it with the 6/7 MidSpey. Afterall, it is not a rod that was designed for long distant casting or casting large flies (although you can make it do both).
Yes, the 1509 casts the 7/8 GrandSpey pretty well. However, it should be able to cast the 8/9 GrandSpey very well provided you have the color change in your fingers. And it does not like the 8/9 GrandSpey at all. My GLX 13' 8/9 likes the 8/9 GrandSpey better than the 1509. If T&T would make the mid-section of the 1509 a little more powerful and faster, it would become an awesome rod! The 1509 should really be a longer version of the 1409 (as the 1309 is a shorter version of the 1409 since its redesign) with the same quickness and casting ability. Currently, it is a very good rod; but it is not a longer version of the 1409 due to its slower mid-section.
I own the 1510-3 and I prefer it to the Salar because it is faster and it handles the 9/10 GrandSpey provided you keep the color change in your hands better than the Salar. And it doesn't weigh much more than the Salar.
You are correct, I feel I have to slow down too much to keep from overpowering the 1509. I just wish its mid-section had more quickness and power to it like the 1409.
Yes, the 1509 casts the 7/8 GrandSpey pretty well. However, it should be able to cast the 8/9 GrandSpey very well provided you have the color change in your fingers. And it does not like the 8/9 GrandSpey at all. My GLX 13' 8/9 likes the 8/9 GrandSpey better than the 1509. If T&T would make the mid-section of the 1509 a little more powerful and faster, it would become an awesome rod! The 1509 should really be a longer version of the 1409 (as the 1309 is a shorter version of the 1409 since its redesign) with the same quickness and casting ability. Currently, it is a very good rod; but it is not a longer version of the 1409 due to its slower mid-section.
I own the 1510-3 and I prefer it to the Salar because it is faster and it handles the 9/10 GrandSpey provided you keep the color change in your hands better than the Salar. And it doesn't weigh much more than the Salar.
You are correct, I feel I have to slow down too much to keep from overpowering the 1509. I just wish its mid-section had more quickness and power to it like the 1409.
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