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Hello everyone,

I am one of the guys in those pictures, the other is my father. I was not the one who posted them on this website but was told about the comments they were attracting. From what I have read, we have been accused of doctoring the photo's, carrying a filleting knife to clean fish, fish were held out of the water for long periods of time, drip dried, crushed organs, and held out of the water long enough to freeze parts of the fish. You guys couldn’t be further than the truth, few steelheaders are as gentle with a fish as my father and I and these fish were all released healthy and strong. For those with positive comments I would like to thank you for the kind words. My comment on guys not knowing where these fish were caught were directed towards Great lakes steelheaders on another site because most of them will not know where these were caught. Some of you west coast guys might be able to have a good idea but those picture will not bring in hoards of fisherman to that river, plus while going through the photo gallery on this site there were pictures of dead steelhead, mishandled steelhead and names of rivers where they were caught. Seems to me like the pot is calling the kettle black. Now don’t get me wrong, if the regulations allow it there is nothing wrong with keeping a fish here and there and not everyone mishandles their fish, but before you send me to the gallows you might not want to speculate on something you were not there to witness.

If you have any questions or concerns on the treatment of those steelhead feel free to ask and I will respond with a sincere and truthful answer.
 

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Hi RiverRunner,

As Dana said, welcome aboard.:) This a great site with alot of great information. I will probally take some flack for this, but like always, you will have people who will always try to find something wrong with something when it was not them that was involved. I thought they were great pictures and if I ever had the oppurtunity to fish for steelhead like those, I guarantee you I would take a picture for my scrap book too. Anyway, like I said earlier, welcome aboard.

Alan (salmonguy)
 

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And you do not even look like a fat little kid i n the pictures...:>)... very nice response to a speculative situation that could have gotten even uglier. The internet can bring out the best in some folks and the worst in others. Sorting through the B/S is sometimes worth it though and I think you well-tempered response is well done.
 

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welcome to the board...If a person keeps the fish in the water there is no controversy. And it really shows more care about the fish and not the photo op...Hero poses are getting so tired. I don't understand why a fish has to be picked up off the water for a picture anyways. This is not just directed at you.

call me nitpicky.
 

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Abito,

I understand your point of view and am not trying to disagree with your personal opinion, but I believe that on the spectrum of properly handling steelhead in a safe matter your on the extreme. Now saying that, it’s better to be on that end than the other but there is a grey area that is still acceptable and safe for the fish if done right. When fish are mishandled is because of two reasons: One is ignorance and the other is lack of respect and I have seen both and I will give examples. As for ignorance it is usually associated with people new to the sport who just don’t know any better and hopefully through experience and education it can be rectified. These types of website are great for that, with people such as yourself expressing your concerns on the well being of the fish. As for lack of respect that is much harder to fix, people get into their own mind set that a fish is nothing but a dumb animal and should be treated that way or just be used as fresh meat from the market. A guy that used to fish the same sandy river mouth that I did would keep his limit every day and all the fish after that would just get booted up on the sand, flop around until completely covered and then booted back into the water once the hook was removed. It did not matter what we said he would never change and guys like that make me understand why it’s hard not to be opinionated when you see pictures posted on website’s. Our fish were only taken out of the water for a few seconds and always got a drink if we decided to take another picture, we inflicted little to no extra stress to those fish. Also, we did not take pictures of every fish we landed. In fact we took pictures of maybe 25% or less of the fish and when I have a 25 lb + steelhead at my feet I’m going to take a quick picture of it.

Now like I said I do not disagree with your opinion, in fact I respect your concern but this was just my personal belief just like you have yours.
 

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i don't believe the fish were mishandled but i know enough about photography to know they were enhanced color wise in some post process. i see way too much red in the overall color scheme and imho the fish were masked and oversaturated. you may not have done it but someone did.

were the fish taken on flies? were the fish taken on doublehanded rods?

i am not trying to take anything away from those magnificent specimens you are clearly a good angler to land fish of that caliber anywhere. i just want the rest of the story.
 

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BF,

Believe what you will, but that’s how those fish looked in person and that’s how the pictures came off my digital camera. The red on the coloured up males were incredible. I notice your from western New York and the fish we got out west do not look like those in Lake Ontario, Erie or any other of the Great Lakes. I’ve caught steelhead in other parts of BC and they do not take on those colours their either. The fish were taken on flies, but we were not fly fishing.
 

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your pictures show water dripping off the fish and hands..which show that they were out of the water for a second or two..but your dads fish are bone dry my friend and standing fully erect in inches of water to take a picture...one hand shake and it's like bonking it over the head.
 

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Ok fellows, I'm stepping in here and saying that there is no reason to take this any further. RiverRunner didn't post the pics here nor were the fish taken on a spey rod. His comments have been articulate and respectful. I appreciate him taking the time to set the record straight and see nothing to be gained by him having to constantly defend each and every aspect.

Nice fish RiverRunner. That is all that needs be said.

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