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Our sponsor fly shop, FlyFishUsa in Welches, Oregon has some interesting data re the variance of individual fly rods re weight and length versus their Manufacturers specs. The data below is from their latest news letter:

http://www.flyfishusa.com/newsletter/current/

An Independent Spey Rod Survey
Many makers don't list the weights of their two-hand fly rods. Who knows all the reasons. Most list the weights of their single hand rods. One day Jeff Runner and I had too much time on our hands. We had listened to John Jones outline his ideas for a light line trout rod "shoot-out" where he would get a group of guys together to analyze trout rods from several makers. We thought about how much could be learned by comparing models of two-handers from competing manufacturers. We picked the most popular size of winter steelhead rod, the one George Cook calls the 30-06 spey rod, the venerable 14' #9. Upon consulting our inventory, I found that we carry 14-models in stock. That seems like a broad enough cross section for a comprehensive study. One rod of 14-foot 4-inches was included because it seems to fit the category. We weighed each rod on an electronic postage scale. We also measured each rod for total length when assembled. These kinds of projects are always a labor of love. You can't get a better job than trying great tackle on great water with your best friends.... Anyway, Jeff and I weighed each rod because we had a sneaking hunch that how much energy a rod can store is highly dependent on its mass/weight/length in comparison to its rivals. Each rod in this list has been tested with the same fly line, an 8/9/10 Rio WindCutter w/tips. Further testing is needed in many areas and will continue. So far we have found that the heavier rods do have more lift and usually build line speed with a shorter casting stroke. We also have found that being lightweight and "fishing light" aren't always the same. Fast action rods usually have more graphite material in the butt of the rod and less weight near the tip in comparison to slower action rods. The lighter the tip is in comparison to the butt, the lighter in overall weight the rod will feel like when you are fishing with it. A rod with a heavy reel seat will often make a rod "balance" lighter even though the total weight of the rod is heavier. The weight of the reel you choose to put on your rod will change the balance of your outfit. Like wise a rod with a reel seat positioned to place the reel closest to the butt of the rod will help the rod tip feel lighter in weight. Testing will continue. We will keep you posted.


"Maybe someone can repost this so the columns are true vertical under the headings. SBC/Yahoo prevents me from doing this."


Rod Model Length Weight
Advertised Actual Advertised Actual
T&T DH1409-3 14' 0" 14' 0" N/A 11.4 oz.
T&T DH1409-5 14' 0" 14' 0.5" N/A 12.1 oz.
Sage 9140-4 TCR 14' 0" 14' 0" 10.125 oz. 10.8 oz
Sage 9141-4 European 14' 1" 14' 0.375" 10.25 oz. 10.2 oz.
Sage 9140-4 Traditional 14' 0" 14 0" 9.75 oz. 10.2 oz.
Sage 9140-4 VPS 14' 0" 13' 11" 10 oz. 8.5 oz.
G. Loomis Greased Line GLX 14' 0" 14' 0.375" N/A 10.0 oz.
G. Loomis Greased Line Deveron 14' 0" 14' 0.625" N/A 10.7 oz.
G. Loomis Dredger GLX 14' 0" 14' 0.5" N/A 9.6 oz.
CND Steelhead Specialist 14' 4" 14' 4.25" N/A 10.2 oz.
CND Custom 14' 0" 14' 0.125" 10.4 oz. 10.7 oz.
CND Expert 14' 0" 14' 0.25" N/A 10.5 oz.
Loop Blackline 14' 0" 14' 0.25" N/A 9.2 oz.
Temple Fork Outfitter TFO09144P 14' 0" 13' 10.5" 9.5 oz. 9.4 oz.

The differences between actual length and weight with some rods may explain why some lines work with some of the models and not with others.

I apologize for the crummy reposting, but that is the SBC lawyers at work.
 

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Bravo!

some real hardcore work yeilding results,i like it alot!,,,i've always said a `shootout' format would be great way for potential buyers to see whats what, i agree with the reel weight/reelseet placement ideas as well,so continue on! ;)
 

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Hammer said:
some real hardcore work yeilding results,i like it alot!,,,i've always said a `shootout' format would be great way for potential buyers to see whats what, i agree with the reel weight/reelseet placement ideas as well,so continue on! ;)




There is a new reality around the world. Real people doing real investigative work and then relaying that information across the internet on products and other issues.

4 spinners of un reality and one talking head of un reality at CBS recently ran into this new buzz saw of truth. Those 4 are without a job, and the talking head destroyed any credibility that he might have had. :chuckle:

The makers of rods, lines, reels, leaders and tippets are to be thanked for what they make and sell. They should make sure that the specs for what they sell match what we buy. :tsk_tsk:
 
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