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Thinking about getting another switch/spey rod for trout. Already have a sage one- 4wt 11'6". Will be primarily fishing the Missouri river near Craig MT. Need a slightly heavier rod for some of the real windy days on the MO. Probably looking at another 11'6" 6wt.

Would like others input on getting another sage 1 vs a Winston Biiix. Have never cast a Winston but many seem to like them. Unfortunately don't have access to a fly shop to go and try out myself. Either way will be getting a blank and building it myself
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I use a Sage One 5126 for the bigger water and cannot say enough good things about this rod. Not too long and not too short. I put a Vector Ballistic XL on the spool and its like heaven for swinging soft hackles etc. This set up really bombs the bugs out there. It's a very versatile rod when talking bigger water, wind etc. The beauty of this is that it feels very much like the larger rods/lines that I use for steelhead. For me it's like practicing all summer for the show come Septovember.

I have had a couple other trout speys - mostly 4 wts - Always seemed a little undergunned for my waters etc and forget those longer lies and the wind scenarios with a lightweight. The 5126 has just the right amount of weight, accuracy, finesse etc. Even the 12 - 15 inch fish are a blast on this rod.

Of course, as always - YMMV
 

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In the same boat.

I have been messing around with trout spey fishing for a year now and have two rods that I use. I have a little echo TR 4 weight for swinging softies and it is a blast when the wind is not blowing, but when the wind kick up it is basically useless.

The other rod I use is a TCX 6119. This has been great for the larger fish and takes over in the wind or when I want to throw something heavy. It also doubles pretty nicely as a small steelhead stick for throwing floaters. I have heard fantastic things about both the Sage and Winston. I tend to like the action of Sage's better on single handers, but have not thrown a Winston two hander yet.

Good luck with your decision. Let us know what you decide.
 

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Sage vs Winston

Take it from me, I have fished both the Sage and Winston and you will enjoy the Winston more when you hook a toad over on the Mo. The Sage feel good casting but dead when you hook up, even when you hook into a trout in the 20+ size. A 6 would be a tad to large, the 5 BIIIX has plenty of guts to lob the streamers you will use here in MT. Tough choice when you compare a Winston to Burky Jake
 

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Sage has announced two new trout spey rods,,, available in August.

10'9" for 2wt
11' for 3wt

RIO has new lines of 11ft (I believe they are Skagit type tapers) designed for these rods.
We also have some new light weight 12ft Skagit lines from OPST.

Consider using RIO Trout LT lines on these ultra light rods for Scandi type of presentation.
Nice long front taper with level rear section.

I have cast the new Winston Micro Spey rods and IMHO they are not very well designed,,, lots of tip bounce and the 4wt has a funny double wave flex when cast and transmits this to the line.
This is my personal observation,, others may like the rods.
Cast both and decide for your individual casting style.

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You probably don't need another rod, Line up one of the new RIO or OPST shorty's and your 4 will handle any fly or wind you'll ever encounter. A 6 weight switch for trout is a bit overkill.
 

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regardless of brand, and the arbitrary 5-6-7wt designation (my 7110 zaxis and acr 1255 both throw a 350), a 350gr scandi on any length rod, is a wonderful and versatile trout line. my favorite for tng casts, and moderate to big trout. soft hackles and skating down to 4x and still handles light polys and moderate weighted streamers. only overkill for little clone fish. nice to land those average wild trout quickly and still get a big bend with em. a big difference over 300gr. if you don't bag it when the wind blows a 400gr is very handy too..........
trout hate it when we have to strip loops into the rod on every cast, what about some integrated scandis for the 11-13' baby speys rio ???
 

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Take it from me, I have fished both the Sage and Winston and you will enjoy the Winston more when you hook a toad over on the Mo. The Sage feel good casting but dead when you hook up, even when you hook into a trout in the 20+ size. A 6 would be a tad to large, the 5 BIIIX has plenty of guts to lob the streamers you will use here in MT. Tough choice when you compare a Winston to Burky Jake
I have a One 6126 that I've fished a good deal on the Mo and agree.
I've come to the conclusion it's a bit too heavy for trout and much prefer a 5wt.

I love it on the Yellowstone though since I'm usually throwing much bigger stuff than on the Mo.
 

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The Echo Glass rods are a blast, half the price, and a great match for two handed trout. Granted, they are a completely different animal from the graphite Sage and Winston rods.
 

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regardless of brand, and the arbitrary 5-6-7wt designation (my 7110 zaxis and acr 1255 both throw a 350), a 350gr scandi on any length rod, is a wonderful and versatile trout line. my favorite for tng casts, and moderate to big trout. soft hackles and skating down to 4x and still handles light polys and moderate weighted streamers. only overkill for little clone fish. nice to land those average wild trout quickly and still get a big bend with em. a big difference over 300gr. if you don't bag it when the wind blows a 400gr is very handy too..........
trout hate it when we have to strip loops into the rod on every cast, what about some integrated scandis for the 11-13' baby speys rio ???
Airflo have the new switch floater out which is basically an integrated rage line. I use the 270 4wt on the sage one 4116 and it's a good match. Would probably cast the 300 as well. Anyway it's an integrated scandi of sorts and worth a look.
I also read a comment that the sage one switches are lifeless when a fish is hooked. Not my experience I have to say
 

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Burkie 5115

Does anyone have any experience with the burkheimer 5115
I own one, but can't say I have much experience with it yet. I did a considerable amount of research before buying it as I wanted a trout "spey"...not a switch rod and Burkheimer is very clear there. Having only practiced a bit with it it feels wonderful in hand and casts like a dream. Life had been more than busy, which has put a slight damper on my fishing time as of late. Hoping to swing a bit in the fall. Also have an ACR 4119TTH that Gary built on Sage SLT blanks in the mid 2000's. Now to find the time to fish them. I'd do a search on 5115 and you'll find lots of good info. As for 2-3 wt trout spey's. For me here in MT that would be under gunned quite a bit.
 
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