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Sorry, but I do not know what this means. There currently is a poll that includes the "Skandinavian" style as a voting option. Clearly I need help here - - - please.
Skandinavian Style Casting
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I'm by No means an expert, but I'll try to explain as I understand it...
Basically, it involves the use of short shooting heads, and a compact casting stroke that emphasizes the use of the bottom hand for "steering" the rod and applying the power to the cast. The top hand acts mainly as a pivot, and is important in the hard stop that gives a nice tight loop. This style often employs shorter, faster rods, but the casts can be performed with longer and/or slower rods.
There is great footage and instruction in the Art of Speycasting DVD, by both the Syrstad brothers, and the style's originator, Goran Anderrson. As well, Dana has some great stuff on here too.
Basically, it involves the use of short shooting heads, and a compact casting stroke that emphasizes the use of the bottom hand for "steering" the rod and applying the power to the cast. The top hand acts mainly as a pivot, and is important in the hard stop that gives a nice tight loop. This style often employs shorter, faster rods, but the casts can be performed with longer and/or slower rods.
There is great footage and instruction in the Art of Speycasting DVD, by both the Syrstad brothers, and the style's originator, Goran Anderrson. As well, Dana has some great stuff on here too.
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As a Scandinavian "two-hand-enthusiast" (I prefer NOT to use the terms SPEY CASTER), I know that the original term of UNDERHAND casting style was developed by Göran Andersson together with the original SAGE 9140-3 GIII back in the late eighties together with a very nice video called "Troldmanden Fra Gävle" (The Vizard From Gävle). For many years Göran ruled this technique and travelled Scandinavia with his show, instructing the "underhand" technique.
This technique is using a relatively short head of approx. 10-11 m or 33-35 feet and thus time your loading and "bite" on the water very accurately to form the cast. Liking or dis-liking this technique, it will give very long and aggresive casts and can be used on very limited places.
Since then, numerous casters have used the Göran style to further develop their own styles, ie The Syrstads, Henrik Mortensen and several others.
However nowadys the use of very short heads are turning into quite longer heads up to 16 m or 40-48 feet. making the underhand style nearer a traditional Spey style or Mid-Spey style making casting more comfortable.
Like in the US, here in Scandinavia, the discussions are rolling on traditional Speycasting verses MidSpey or Underhand casting, with pretty emotional outcome at times.
In any case, the Göran underhand cast has a lot of fans in Scandinavia.
Michael
This technique is using a relatively short head of approx. 10-11 m or 33-35 feet and thus time your loading and "bite" on the water very accurately to form the cast. Liking or dis-liking this technique, it will give very long and aggresive casts and can be used on very limited places.
Since then, numerous casters have used the Göran style to further develop their own styles, ie The Syrstads, Henrik Mortensen and several others.
However nowadys the use of very short heads are turning into quite longer heads up to 16 m or 40-48 feet. making the underhand style nearer a traditional Spey style or Mid-Spey style making casting more comfortable.
Like in the US, here in Scandinavia, the discussions are rolling on traditional Speycasting verses MidSpey or Underhand casting, with pretty emotional outcome at times.
In any case, the Göran underhand cast has a lot of fans in Scandinavia.
Michael
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Synonyms
Thank you all gentlemen. Evidently Skandinavian casting and Underhand casting are basically synonyms. In particular thanks Michael for a brief and informative, history. Now I need to do more research to get a better understanding of the differences between Skandinavian casting and Skagit casting. Both styles use shorter heads, so the real difference/s must be in the casting method/s. The BIG thank you is for Jack Cook / The Irish Angler who took me out and showed me.
Thank you all gentlemen. Evidently Skandinavian casting and Underhand casting are basically synonyms. In particular thanks Michael for a brief and informative, history. Now I need to do more research to get a better understanding of the differences between Skandinavian casting and Skagit casting. Both styles use shorter heads, so the real difference/s must be in the casting method/s. The BIG thank you is for Jack Cook / The Irish Angler who took me out and showed me.
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Year, and even so, not two guys will use exactly same technique to make what seems to be the same cast. But what the h..., if you get that fly out to your satisfaction.
And remember, - while that fly is swimming, there is a chance to hook a fish.
Michael
And remember, - while that fly is swimming, there is a chance to hook a fish.
Michael
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Halo,
last year I saw Andy Murey at a Fly fair in Belgium.
His single spey was nearly the same like the scandinavian Underhand Demonstrations at the Fly Fair im Kolding Denmark.
But The Distances "on Carpet!" and the precesition of Andy was just amazing.
The biggest differences I saw to the Scandinavian styl is that he was using much less power.
Benjamin
last year I saw Andy Murey at a Fly fair in Belgium.
His single spey was nearly the same like the scandinavian Underhand Demonstrations at the Fly Fair im Kolding Denmark.
But The Distances "on Carpet!" and the precesition of Andy was just amazing.
The biggest differences I saw to the Scandinavian styl is that he was using much less power.
Benjamin
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Great Point
It is true that many of the Underhand folks we see today cast with what I call a pretty ATHLETIC style or with a lot of power. At the same time lots of other folks cast Underhand with very little effort, much like Andy Murray with a long line. Truth be told there is just as much variation in the Underhand community as with Overhand practitioners. Some rods are stiff, some are noodles. Some heads are 25 feet, some are 65. Some folks cast lines 100 grains lighter on the same rod.
I just want my clients to get it out straight and where I tell them. For me I want it to be easy, accurate, and create awesome presentations.
It is true that many of the Underhand folks we see today cast with what I call a pretty ATHLETIC style or with a lot of power. At the same time lots of other folks cast Underhand with very little effort, much like Andy Murray with a long line. Truth be told there is just as much variation in the Underhand community as with Overhand practitioners. Some rods are stiff, some are noodles. Some heads are 25 feet, some are 65. Some folks cast lines 100 grains lighter on the same rod.
I just want my clients to get it out straight and where I tell them. For me I want it to be easy, accurate, and create awesome presentations.
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Benjamin said:
Hi Benjamin, he is a very elegant caster. However, the main difference between his style and the Underhand Style is that he uses (I presume he does still?) his upper hand to accelerate the rod, and the bottom to steer.
Regards
Steven
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