I would be interested in hearing how you all like to do your sweep with shorter shooting heads
I like V loops. but I personally, put so much emphasis on it at first that the forward cast was neglected, in search of not just a V loop, but an ultra powerful, mystical, perfect V loop that would supercharge cast my cast and I put WAY to much emphasis on the speed into the V loop than was required. Without a good forward cast, the V loop means nothing.Hi Tim. Nice Vid. Great question!
I guess I spey cast scandi-heads the same way I speycast any other head-length or style of line. It is not necessary to change technique for different styles of lines. Only change needed is if and when one want to copy/impersonate someone's personal style.
V-loop: Myth or misunderstanding?
Did you know the "V-loop" is Al Buhr's own and if you've ever watch him cast then you should understand what he is saying???
Don't forget there aren't too many things in fly-casting that work well and far fewer that work better still. So I think when someone at a level such as Al puts something out there must be something to it...
Ding.Ding.Ding. Winner...winner...chicken dinner.Also, viewed from above, the V loop is different than from the side view. Its 3 dementional. So from above it appears different than the V as seen from the side.
The more variables the worse the consistency. Really good stuff and worth reading a few times for sure.Ding.Ding.Ding. Winner...winner...chicken dinner.
People once (and still do) thought the world was flat.
Another way to look at this:
The water tension from our anchor can only sustain so much energy. Too much, and it will blow and that effort will be lost.
You can put more into your D-Loop, but then you just have to compensate by taking it out of the forward cast.
That can work but by powering the sweep and D-loop formation, striving for the mythical V, you have increased another variable into your cast. The more variables the worse the consistency.
By keeping your D-loop formation consistent in terms of power application (and everything else), regardless of cast length, you have eliminated as many variables as possible. Power is then applied at the last possible instant to equal what is needed for the cast.
No, but it is sometimes described as fast and flat, so in my mind, faster and flatter is even better, or course :hihi: so I had unrealistic expectations.But it isn't anything super-charged, super, mystical or mythical. It is, in fact, just "V-loop" or wedged-shaped as affected and observed by the caster...
Well, if observations (looks) are what is most important, I'd recommend placing your anchor really far away from your body. Then snap some photos and you will have a super point V-loop. Of course, the cast won't be worth a ****.But it isn't anything super-charged, super, mystical or mythical. It is, in fact, just "V-loop" or wedged-shaped as affected and observed by the caster...
Ok Zack. Duly noted :chuckle:Well, if observations (looks) are what is most important, I'd recommend placing your anchor really far away from your body. Then snap some photos and you will have a super point V-loop. Of course, the cast won't be worth a ****.
Oh, but I do want to understand! In simple physics, how and why is a V-Loop superior to a D-Loop?Ok Zack. Duly noted :chuckle:
Hey man - No skin off my back. I just have say - remarkable waste of effort in completely misconstruing something as simple as v-loop simply because you can't or don't want to understand.
I'm not the one concerned with superiority here. Nice try though. I don't need to convince you either. The info IS "out there" that you can find it yourself if you truly wanted to. I can point you in a couple directions. I don't ask you to do something i don't do myself.
There is no myth as you claimed and no one said anything remotely close that "you have to have a V-loop to be a good spey caster." At least not me. The "How" is the easy part. It doesn't take a great amount of effort on the lower handle to relocate the fly from the dangle. And without getting very long-worded the wedge shape/v-loop is shaped in a similar manner as the "climbing loop" /tank tracks are formed. If you are familiar with that. It is a "stop" followed by "drift or circle-up" motion in the backcast/sweep/anchor set. It gives flat shape to the anchor so that the fly and tippet come down first and with the line raising/inclined to a pointed apex that when followed to the rod tip it traces a wedge shape against the backdrop. It may or may not be possible to look at the apex - depending on how close one is inclined to set the fly.
I like setting the fly close to me. Within rods length as my preference but not hard-bound to it. So the apex is behind me most of the time that I cannot see it. However; the v-loop can be seen already taking shape that I don't have to look to know. Putting the fly near me and shaping anchor this way assures that a) anchor is minimal and b) v-loop is as large as possible. Large as possible to the rear of the angler as opposed to the rod tip because when the fly is anchored out, or further from the caster - then the v-loop behind takes less space and so it can be said to become smaller.
Consistent anchor placement comes from repetition and practice. But it is through practice and repetition that I've come to realize that anchprs do not have to be placed exactly at the same spot in reference to the caster.
Oh Mike there you go stirring the pot >I think the three of you guys have a "Love/Hate Triangle" going on here ... or should I call it a "D" or "V" Loop ?? :hihi::hihi: