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It appears that the physical weight of the Scott LS2 1307, 13' #7 is 8.1 oz ( 230.12 grams ) not as advertised 7.1 oz.
The Solstice 13'4” 7/8 is as advertised
8.2 oz (232.34 g).
Granted the LS2 fells even lighter in hand then Solstice, because of some artificial weight placed in the bottom of the butt section.

I was testing recently both rods and discovered that the butt section of the LS2 is relatively heavy. Both rods has aluminum reel seat at about the same amount of cork.

Quick check has showed that but section of the LS2 weights ca. 1 oz more then the Solstice, the middle sections are about the same what leaves the LS2 top two section ca. 1 oz lighter then the Solstice.

Scott has also higher OD of the lower two sections of the blank, what tells me that the LS2 has very, very thin walls.
I am curious what will happen if, when fishing under trees, an angler will hit even gently a branch…….(?)

My friend whose LS2 1307 I tested is crossing his fingers.

Martin

P.S.

Loop Grey 13' #9 weights only 7.9 oz, has less cork, no artificial weight, what means more graphite .
Loop 14' #9 weights ca. 8.3 oz.
 

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Martin,
From an engineering viewpoint large diameter thin wall structures are more efficient than the opposite, efficient meaning weight bearing, spring rate etc. vs. mass of structure.

As far as damage tolerance, there is no reason your friend should worry about his Scott rod. Thin walls mean flexible and flexible structures are generally more damage tolerant than rigid ones. The most dramatic proof of flexible equals strong is a modern jet transport wing, vs. the rigid wings of earlier designs.

I enjoyed your analysis. Please keep it up.
Bob
 

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Martin,

The differences in the tip and butt weights between the 2 rods can probably be explained by the different styles of rods. The CND is very much a British-style design, that is the progressive full-flexing rod. These rods have a heavier more robust tip, it also follows that the butt section will have less material as the whole rod is designed to flex. The Scott, on the other hand has a faster action, with more material in the butt and middle of the rod and less in the tip.

This doesn't make one rod better or worse, or stronger or weaker - just different.
 

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Any particular reason why CND is not offering rods like Solstice with down lock reel seat?
It would lighten the entire setup ( reel + rod).

Martin
 

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sazan said:
Any particular reason why CND is not offering rods like Solstice with down lock reel seat?
It would lighten the entire setup ( reel + rod).

Martin
i've found that solstice series balances just fine w/ the current reel seat. they are light (published and in the hand). if you pop a downlocking reel seat on such a rod, suddenly, many reels end up being too heavy.
 

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up vs. down

sazan said:
Any particular reason why CND is not offering rods like Solstice with down lock reel seat?
It would lighten the entire setup ( reel + rod).

Martin
Same reel seat. The only difference is which way it is installed. Up locking will put the reel higher up than down locking, so lees corks on the lower grip, more on the upper. Visa versa for down locking. Overall weight will be the same. Balance is adjusted to compensate by more or less corks on the upper or lower grip.

From a design standpoint, I favor up locking because Mr. fish will be pulling against the fixed hood rather than the threads which can work loose from excessive pressure. Not likely, but it can happen. Most saltwater rods have up locking reel seats because of this.
 

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Martin,

I have been meaning to ask Nobuo that question (as to why the uplocking reel seat) as it is the only Specialist series rod that does so - but as yet I have not got to it. I thought that maybe because the one I have is the final prototype that the production rods would be down-locking - but that is not the case.
 

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I am curious what will happen if, when fishing under trees, an angler will hit even gently a branch…….(?)
I've never felt the LS2 1307 when treated in the above manner to be any more susceptible to breakage then any other rods in it's class. My LS2 1307 demo rod has been treated to some heavy abuse and is still going strong.
 

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"I am curious what will happen if, when fishing under trees, an angler will hit even gently a branch…….(?)"

It could break.. just like any rod could break.. want it not to break? don't hit it on a branch:)

I am sorry but expecting to be able to hit a rod against a branch and not have it break is unrealistic... Fact of the matter is we are taking very fragile rigid sticks and using them in very harsh enviroments.. they can take some abuse but you can never expect them to take abuse...
 

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low hanging branches

I dont know HOW MANY times I have wacked branches with single hand rods fishing small water for steel! I have broken a sage--&--two cabelas. I have not broken either one of my beloved scotts nor a SCIV that I fish with the most anymore.. More luck than anything I presume.... That is the main reason I am hesitant to bring out the speys and dredge tips in the deeper holes when it is really COLD out. I worry about thin walled lite wt speys loaded heavy when the air is in the teens or lower.. When ya here noises comimg from the guides --ferrules--and cork when you pull tips out of the abyss--its time to rethink if this is a wise choice or not:Eyecrazy:
 

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Gheez????

If you're worried about whacking tree branches, stay away from the freackin' tree branches! :Eyecrazy:
 

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this is a good conversation

I have beaten the dog dook out of some fly rods and they have yet to fail me. They are all the standard thick wall small diameter sort. My first spey rod was of the thin walled large diameter material and the very first day I had it, I let the line out, raised the rod into the snap and ...kablamo! the rod folded right in the middle of a section. It sounded like an egg that was dropped on the floor. I have only broken two rods before and they were the typical breaks, clean and straight.
it just kinda seems that a small diameter thick wall rig could stand up to alittle more tree branch wacking than the other.
I have since been fishing with the replacement of that first spey rod with no complaints...
like i said this is a good topic.
 

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Sorry for some confusion, but I did not mean to clear branches, before fishing, using spey rod....
I was thinking more about gently hit when maneuvering with a rod ( landing fish, for example).
Martin
 

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So often it is falsely perceived that down-locking reel seat is better then up locking because a lighter reel is required to balance a rod.
It depends how far from the butt of the rod reel seat is positioned(length of the lower grip) or more precisely how far from the butt of the rod is located the frame of the mounted reel.
Solstice 13’4” has a shorter lower grip then the LS2 and different real seat. However in both cases the reel is located in about the same place relatively to the butt of the rod.
 
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