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Just wondering if any body has some advice on scandi heads. I have bought scandi heads for my spey rods with the advice of my spey guru and in every occcurence he has gone lighter than the rod specs. he sold me a 375 grain for my Beulah platinum 13'2 while the webpage has it recommendation for over 400 grains. Same with my t&t 13'0 9 weight he's sold me a 550 grain head which is recommended for my burky 13'9 8 weight. Why would his preference be on the lighter weight? Don't want to insult the guy by asking him. I basically fish for atlantic salmon and haven't done any steelhead applications yet. Another question. When fishing with scandi heads I have heard that longer leaders are recommended. With a floating poly leader should I use a full leader size at the end or straight mono? Started out with long bellies and am trying the scandi because it seems like less effort, Just not fond of all the stripping.
 

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Just wondering if any body has some advice on scandi heads. I have bought scandi heads for my spey rods with the advice of my spey guru and in every occcurence he has gone lighter than the rod specs. he sold me a 375 grain for my Beulah platinum 13'2 while the webpage has it recommendation for over 400 grains. Same with my t&t 13'0 9 weight he's sold me a 550 grain head which is recommended for my burky 13'9 8 weight. Why would his preference be on the lighter weight? Don't want to insult the guy by asking him. I basically fish for atlantic salmon and haven't done any steelhead applications yet. Another question. When fishing with scandi heads I have heard that longer leaders are recommended. With a floating poly leader should I use a full leader size at the end or straight mono? Started out with long bellies and am trying the scandi because it seems like less effort, Just not fond of all the stripping.
This is a difficult question because rarely do other casters have the same style as you may have. If you are not happy with the advice that you have received and do not wish to approach the person that has sold you the lines, then I suggest that you contact a professional line builder and designer--a very good person to speak to is Steve Godshall. I would phone him tell him what your thoughts and requirements are, he will give you his advice and would design a line for your particular rod or rods, if you asked him to build you a line for your own needs and style. I will list his information below. When you are casting a Skagit or Scandi head, stripping is part of the method. There is simply no other way. Best of luck.

Steve Godshall,
Email- [email protected]
Phone- 1-541-840-2594
Medford-Oregon
 

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As Harley suggests getting a custom cut line is good advice.Your spey guy's recommendation of 375gr for the Platinium seems light and is probably correct for someone with great underhand technigue,but not for the rest of us.I'll give you an example.A couple of years ago I purchased a used 13' 8/9 underhand [Scandi ] rod.It came with a perfectly matched custom cut line of 448gr.The combination did not perform well for me.I then tried some heavier lines and settled on two,a 480gr compact scandi and a 510 steelhead scandi.Both these lines made the rod come alive for me.As you already noted a line of over 400gr would probably be better for you on the platinium.
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A "+1" for contacting Steve to have him build 'you' a line (won't cost you a penny more than something off the shelf). Steve can do just 'a head,' or a whole line depending upon what you want.

Have several of Steve's lines and all of them just preform wonderfully for THE rod they were designed for. Steve designs his lines for a specific rod AND the specific casters 'style' of casting. Amazing to have him hand you a line and tell you (effectively) 'This is not the line 'you' would probably have chosen, but this is THE line you and the rod need.' :hihi:

Haven't found him to be wrong yet. :D
 

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Are your lines working for you? testing some other lines is the only way you can dial in your own set up for YOUR needs. Get with the Red Shed as poppy has a line testing program that will let you try before you buy.
 

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According with RIO's site http://www.rioproducts.com/skin/summit/pdf/2012_RIO_Spey_Line_Recs.pdf , the range of your various rods depending on your expertise is (master-beginner) 385-450 for Beulah, 510-550 for your T&T, and 510-550 for Burky. Therefore, it would appear that your Beulah is light and your T&T is heavy: if this is correct and your are not an expert, yours casting should be better with the heavier T&T than the lighter Beulah and vice-versa if you are on the expert side.

As for the leader's lenght, 3-3.5 feet over an above the polyleader.... I like a 14 feet polyleader.

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Just wondering if any body has some advice on scandi heads. I have bought scandi heads for my spey rods with the advice of my spey guru and in every occcurence he has gone lighter than the rod specs. he sold me a 375 grain for my Beulah platinum 13'2 while the webpage has it recommendation for over 400 grains. Same with my t&t 13'0 9 weight he's sold me a 550 grain head which is recommended for my burky 13'9 8 weight. Why would his preference be on the lighter weight? Don't want to insult the guy by asking him. I basically fish for atlantic salmon and haven't done any steelhead applications yet. Another question. When fishing with scandi heads I have heard that longer leaders are recommended. With a floating poly leader should I use a full leader size at the end or straight mono? Started out with long bellies and am trying the scandi because it seems like less effort, Just not fond of all the stripping.
Have you tried them yet? I don't see anything wrong. You have not added in the poly/versi spey leader weight yet, which with 10'-15' versi leaders put's into the zone. The geographic region of Canada I suspect you will be fishing Atlantic Salmon is noted for amongst the clearest rivers in the world. I could certainly see why one would ideally preferance touch & go cast's there with light anchors, finese Scandi as compared to power Scandi with more horsepower under the hood in that region. It's the birthplace, dial in grounds of finesse,long,olive camo tip'ed Scandi heads like the Rio AFS on rods exactly that size. A cup of coffee bet, say's that's very similar grains that Simon Gawesworth, Henrik Mortensen and other noted caster/fisherman would use there, why not you? Being "new" really does not need to change that any more than loading a 905 single hand Trouter for dry's with a 5 wf-f rather than a 6. The larger 9wt x 550grain + poly leader should handle any fly size you would use there, even in high water, with light Scandi it would seem to me.

IMO - Learning to touch and go (single and snake) spey cast does not get easier, increasing grains, to upper zones, unlike waterborn - sa casts may to some. Likely of more importance, to include his grain choice for you but, also for your overall ease of use while learning is your HEAD TO ROD LENGTH RATIO. If he has you on the short end of the stick (likely does for your ease) it should also be on the bottom end of the grain rate scale. A .2 cent wager bets, he has you short ratio and ideal grains for such, starting out. The short ratio will make it much easier for you starting out.

I give this un-known instructor the benefit of doubt personally on this one;) I take it he is working with you in person? If so, can't get any better than that and sure the heck beats mail order/web attempts.
 

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Have you tried them yet? I don't see anything wrong. You have not added in the poly/versi spey leader weight yet, which with 10'-15' versi leaders put's into the zone. The geographic region of Canada I suspect you will be fishing Atlantic Salmon is noted for amongst the clearest rivers in the world. I could certainly see why one would ideally preferance touch & go cast's there with light anchors, finese Scandi as compared to power Scandi with more horsepower under the hood in that region. It's the birthplace, dial in grounds of finesse,long,olive camo tip'ed Scandi heads like the Rio AFS on rods exactly that size. A cup of coffee bet, say's that's very similar grains that Simon Gawesworth, Henrik Mortensen and other noted caster/fisherman would use there, why not you? Being "new" really does not need to change that any more than loading a 905 single hand Trouter for dry's with a 5 wf-f rather than a 6. The larger 9wt x 550grain + poly leader should handle any fly size you would use there, even in high water, with light Scandi it would seem to me.

IMO - Learning to touch and go (single and snake) spey cast does not get easier, increasing grains, to upper zones, unlike waterborn - sa casts may to some. Likely of more importance, to include his grain choice for you but, also for your overall ease of use while learning is your HEAD TO ROD LENGTH RATIO. If he has you on the short end of the stick (likely does for your ease) it should also be on the bottom end of the grain rate scale. A .2 cent wager bets, he has you short ratio and ideal grains for such, starting out. The short ratio will make it much easier for you starting out.

I give this un-known instructor the benefit of doubt personally on this one;) I take it he is working with you in person? If so, can't get any better than that and sure the heck beats mail order/web attempts.
I am not really sure what is meant by mail order/web attempts--BUT--I do know that talking to a person on Steve Godshall level or trying lines for your particular style from Poppy at the Redshed are both a great way to have confidence about your purchase. Or you could choose to take advice from a regular style sports shop--BUT-- there again to each his own. All I can say is that Steve has built me five different lines and I must say that each and every one works great. Before I started talking with Steve I probably bought and sold 12-15 lines based on people`s advice looking for the magic bullet. I did not find anything close till I talked things over with Steve. I guess, to each his own.

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... i prefer lighter too

Not that my opinion's worth a hoot, but I agree earnestly with willi's observation in that:

A) You plan to use the "Scandi" heads in a strict touch-and-go capacity, i.e. single speys and snake rolls...

B) You intend to employ a STRONG emphasis on a bottom or underhand dominated forward stroke and...

C) You're considering regularly incoporating 10 - 15ft sinking poly/versi-leaders into the mix

Then I'd too would venture that you are probably in a comfortable zone for excellent performance. :cool:

Dunno why, but I also find many mfc's "Scandi" line/rod recs a touch heavier than I prefer for my own touch-and-go underhand casting... especially when incorporating sinking poly/versi-leaders as their grain weights WILL get carried in the loading d-loop during the forward stroke too.

... just my 2 pennies, take it or leave, I won't be offended! ;)

Nate

P.S. I'd bet the fellow who recommended your lines to you probably wouldn't be offended a bit if you asked him to better explain his thinking/rationale... or at least, he shouldn't be! :eek:
 

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He wrote he is consulted by a "Spey guru" Where does "sport shop" fit in?
Poppy the red shed was not mentioned.
My point he is working with someone and has already purchased lines. Are you suggesting he should ditch them and buy new from this "Steve Godshall" chop shop?

WHERE IS STEVE GODSHALL SPONSOR ADD HERE EXACTLY? Obviously a little army of marketeer props marching around line threads, where is the sponsor add?
 

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He wrote he is consulted by a "Spey guru" Where does "sport shop" fit in?
Poppy the red shed was not mentioned.
My point he is working with someone and has already purchased lines. Are you suggesting he should ditch them and buy new from this "Steve Godshall" chop shop?


I have nothing pro or con to say about him but, WTF is with this constant chant by the same few where ever a line question comes up? Lobbied?P

He is making building stuff WTF don't he put up a sponsor add as he is obviously selling / marketing here?
Good Evening willi:
You are absolutely right in every thing that you have stated--I just quite simply read the post wrong-by the way Steve works for Bob Meiser who is a sponsor. I especially am enjoying your attitude and your vivid choice of abbreviations such as WTF-Have a pleasant evening. Oh, by the way, I see that you made some changes to your post from the time that I took a quote from it.
 

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Just wondering if any body has some advice on scandi heads. I have bought scandi heads for my spey rods with the advice of my spey guru and in every occcurence he has gone lighter than the rod specs. he sold me a 375 grain for my Beulah platinum 13'2 while the webpage has it recommendation for over 400 grains. Same with my t&t 13'0 9 weight he's sold me a 550 grain head which is recommended for my burky 13'9 8 weight. Why would his preference be on the lighter weight? Don't want to insult the guy by asking him. I basically fish for atlantic salmon and haven't done any steelhead applications yet. Another question. When fishing with scandi heads I have heard that longer leaders are recommended. With a floating poly leader should I use a full leader size at the end or straight mono? Started out with long bellies and am trying the scandi because it seems like less effort, Just not fond of all the stripping.
I have the Beulah rod and a 450 gr airflo scandi compact or Beulah elixir will rock on this rod. With every poly in your bag. Good luck
 

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When casting light flies, my total leader (including my polyleader) is up to 2 times the length of my spey rod.

I don't think you have to get a custom line built. See if you can return the line you have and get a heavier one. If a scandi line is too light, I think you'll probably blow a lot of anchors.

I guess one way to add some weight to a line is to go with a long, 14 foot or so, polyleader, but normally on a 13 foot rod I'd go with a 10 foot polyleader.

Finally, I'd call the guys up at Rio and ask them what weight line they would recommend.

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Started out with long bellies and am trying the scandi because it seems like less effort, Just not fond of all the stripping.
Interesting thread.. I figured the permit78 must be doing something right to complain about stripping :)

My only advice would be; when/if the opportunity is there try a few different heads.. see how they feel.
 

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I have been in Permit's situation, with a few rods and lines that I questioned or had doubts about, sometimes with thoughts in my head like, " I wonder if X line casts better on this rod than Y line?".
So I periodically take a half dozen rods/reels, a wallet full of heads, and a flask down to the river and give things a workout. Grass casting doesn't quite cut it for dialing rod/line combos in.

Line recs are only that--recommendations--
 

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He wrote he is consulted by a "Spey guru" Where does "sport shop" fit in?
Poppy the red shed was not mentioned.
My point he is working with someone and has already purchased lines. Are you suggesting he should ditch them and buy new from this "Steve Godshall" chop shop?

WHERE IS STEVE GODSHALL SPONSOR ADD HERE EXACTLY? Obviously a little army of marketeer props marching around line threads, where is the sponsor add?


Willi, Willi, Willi,
Vitriolic ad hominem attacks are poor tools and generally do little to further a meaningful discussion. In my opinion they have no place on this forum.


I'm glad you had the wisdom remove your WTF rant about Steve. Still your attack on Mr. Godshall remains, someone you obviously have never met and don't know anything about.

Steve is responsible for the R&D on some of the best custom made rods and lines on the market today. He works with Bob Meiser and Gary Anderson. He knows more about rod and line design than you and I will, even if we live ten lifetimes. That you chose not to avail yourself of his advise or service is your loss not his. He has thousands of very happy and satisfied customers around the world.

Beyond that Steve is one of the truly nice guys in the business, with a good heart and soul; friendly, generous and helpful to a fault. Besides which he works his butt off to keep his customers happy.

I am proud to have someone of Steve's quality and character as a friend. I have no idea what panty knot caused your unprovoked and unnecessary attack on Steve, but I think you owe him an apology.


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Permit, if you are able to attend, the Salmon River, NY Speynation gathering is being held on Saturday July 14(read about it in the "claves and other gatherings" section of this site). This is a great event and it would give you an opportunity to try many different lines on your rod, as well as get some expert advice. Tight Lines!
 

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-by the way Steve works for Bob Meiser who is a sponsor.
Here is the contact number info. you provided for in post #2

"Steve Godshall,
Email- [email protected]
Phone- 1-541-840-2594
Medford-Oregon"


Here is Meiser from his sponsor link site -
541-770-4766

Must have separate incomming lines.....big building

I look through Meiser's web and can't seem to find any mention of Steve Godashell lines,services through Meis. etc. nothing.

I notice when recommended always "contact Steve Godshell" not Meiser.

He is manufacturing/modifying lines, I guess, as that is what he is repeatably recommended for. "Work's for"? - Same tax i.d. # ?

"Rule #2 - Respecting sponsorships, and spam

Since our life blood is sponsorships, we must keep advertisement meaningful in our community. Avoid spamming by openly promoting non-sponsors in a way that directly advertises their businesses unless you have consulted with a moderator or administrator first. If you want to promote non-sponsors in this manner, you will be asked to email the business to suggest sponsorship of our community (CC: [email protected])."



I have no problem with him or you harley. Sure he is a "nice guy". I just see in particular the same band of brothers recommending his services all the time. This thread another example, even when the dude has lines,did not ask.
It's alway's "contact Steve" - "here is Steve's #,email,etc" not Meiser. Appears service/manufacturing/re-vamping exiting to me type business. Lot's of rod smith/builder's, pro. fly tiers,regional shops would like to advertise similar here I am sure at n.c. I have seen several be asked to remove their links.

I am sorry sir , I did not realize "he works directly for R. Meiser" and therefor is exempt from having to pay for sponsorship,links,recs. etc. as others do. . How would I ever have known? I did not even, know working for a sponsor here, entitles such, for separate business services completly. Learn something every day........ I guess than a guide whom works in a fly shop part time, if the shop is a sponsor here, can expect/do similar with his private guiding business, because they work for the shop.....

Thanks for clearing that up. Enjoy the outdoors.......


Meiser sponsor link -
http://www.meiserflyrods.com/
 
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