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I've received a number of suggestions to try an Airflo Scandi Compact head on a 6wt 12'6" Dec Hogan rod. I think it's a grand suggestion and would have been even better if Airflo hadn't discontinued their Scandi Compact...

I found them "in stock" twice, ordered one each time, and both times they were sold out but the shop's inventory hadn't updated.

If I cannot locate a Scandi Compact, is there an alternative you'd recommend?
 

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they were still available in the UK after they were discontinued in the US. You might try buying from a shop over there. That said I have no idea what extra costs (taxes, import duties, or whatever) are involved in making a purchase from across the pond. Or you could always put out a WTB in the classifieds here if that 420 mentioned in the previous post was already sold. Good luck!
 

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Beulah Elixer, Rio Scandi Short, and if you want “training wheels” Airflo Rage might be also be worth a look.
 

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RIO and Scientific Anglers both make standard Scandi lines in 420 grains. Either would work great and both are in line products and readily available. No need to hunt down a now discontinued product. As an aside, and a bit irrelevant as it's just another person giving a subjective opinion, after casting the Airflo, SA, Nexcast and RIO Scandi style lines, I decided I personally liked the RIO taper best. It had the smoothest, most stable loops and the best turnover for me. Again, that was my personal opinion. They all worked.
 

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Thanks, to everyone.

Information I should have given in the thread starter: I'm a babe in the woods - I haven't a clue - and I'm trying to take the baby steps recommended to me. That's why I am/was hunting for a specific head that is no longer readily available in 420 or 450 grains.

SLSS & Capt'n, I can't post to the Classifieds (yet). If anyone reading this wanted to tell the seller I'm looking for one, I'd be forever grateful.

Botsari, yep, I need training wheels. Am I correct that you're saying the Rage heads are training wheels? Those I can find in barrelfuls. If anyone else wants to suggest training wheels, I'm open to all recommendations.

Jason, maybe later. I haven't even put the rod together yet. After I play, then take a lesson or two, maybe then I'll be able to tell the difference between a good line and a rock. That's the only reason I've been chasing after the head most often recommended for me to start out with.

Ahh, the trials of being a newbie again. Arr-rgh!
 

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I only have experience with Rio lines, but the Scandi Short is a nice easy-casting line. It's not as easy as the Skagit style lines, but still pretty user friendly and you can learn all the casts with it.

You might want to consider getting a Skagit head at the same time, if you plan to do any fishing with heavier/larger flies and tips. I run both a Rio Scandi Short (for traditional flies, long leaders, skating dries) and Rio Skagit Max (for tungsten sink tips, bigger, heavier flies) on my 12ft 6in 7wt.

I'm not familiar with Airflo lines, but if I understand correctly the Rage is something of a compromise between Scandi and Skagit styles. Sort of in the middle in terms of ease of casting and applications. I don't find the Scandi Short to be a difficult line to cast though, I learned on one and it worked for me.
 

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The fellow selling the 420 Airflo Compact is Benjaminarai. You might send him a PM.

I agree with Darthwader on Rio's Scandi Short... It's the only scandi I've cast though. I have no experience with other lines, yet.
 

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Don't get hung up on brands, branding or models. I agree, a scandi is probably the best place to start. It certainly was for me. There is no reason why a 12' 6" rod couldn't cast a full length scandi. if you can master all the cast on this type of line all the other line styles will be easier.

With a scandi you can single spey, snake roll, snap T/circle/Z spey. The scandi is the one line/head that can do all these very well. Once you get into other heads/lines you start to lose the diversity of casts. ie-your not going to snap t a 80-ft belly. Don't chase gear while your learning. There is very little gear out there that will give you the fundamental basics of casting. As you progress and find your style you might find certain lines, rod types etc better suit you but until then practice.

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Don't chase gear while your learning.

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Wouldn't that take all the fun out of being ignorant? I needed that advice when I picked up my first fly rod, and my second, and third...

I agree that I don't need a specific product. I'll give the RIO Scandi's a look. Thanks!

And thanks to everyone else who took the time to answer my question. I appreciate it.
 

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Don't chase gear while your learning.

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Wouldn't that take all the fun out of being ignorant? I needed that advice when I picked up my first fly rod, and my second, and third...

I agree that I don't need a specific product. I'll give the RIO Scandi's a look. Thanks!

And thanks to everyone else who took the time to answer my question. I appreciate it.
The point is not to waste time and money on gear at least until you know what you want or need. Once you have established the basics then you can start to play with gear. You will likely find yourself moving toward one style or another but that will also depend where you fish and how. There is plenty of time to forget the multiple bins of lines and gear that got shoved into the back of the closet for years. By that time you will be well on your way
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I made contact with Benjaminarai, the member selling the 420 Scandi compact head, so now I only need to read, watch, and learn. After that maybe I'll assemble the rod and wiggle it a bit.

I appreciate the help, Captcaveman. Thanks!
 
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If only we could have goaded you into ordering a scandi compact from overseas - no hazing ritual could have better made you one of us. :chuckle:

Another option for future reference is to get a custom line matched to your rod from Steve Godshall. They cost the same as a regular new line, and depending on the commercial site may even arrive in the mail quicker. This has worked for me %100 of the time - they always match perfectly. In the unlikely event you have a rod that is not already in his database you can even send him the rod.

He can do all styles to your requirements, and unlike a commercial line they often come with a “consult”.:hihi:

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Enjoy the new head Tinker but frankly, knowing what I know now, I would have skipped the compact Scandi and gone straight to a NextCast 45 475 grain head for that rod.

When an American designer makes a better Scandi head, why pass up on the opportunity?

Something to keep in mind for the future perhaps. Have yet to try out an SG scandi head so cannot comment.
 

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Custom heads? Cool! Is that enough to earn membership in the club?

I didn't consider NextCast at this time only because I'm going to need advice (and lots of it) from the forum members, and it seemed to me, as an ignorant newbie, that more people have used and would be familiar with Airflo and(or) RIO heads. Perhaps when I master the art, I'll start exploring piles of heads from lots of different sources.

That should take me what? Four weeks? Five at most? >:)

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist adding that last bit)
 
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Custom heads? Cool! Is that enough to earn membership in the club?

I didn't consider NextCast at this time only because I'm going to need advice (and lots of it) from the forum members, and it seemed to me, as an ignorant newbie, that more people have used and would be familiar with Airflo and(or) RIO heads. Perhaps when I master the art, I'll start exploring piles of heads from lots of different sources.

That should take me what? Four weeks? Five at most? >:)

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist adding that last bit)
You did right, I think. Start with a scandi compact. Glad you didn’t have to order one from the UK. A lot of people were bummed when they stoped making them. Good luck.
 
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