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I own and love my Sage 9140. My friends father wants to get into spey fishing and has his eye on a Loop Greenline 9140. I tried to tell him that I cannot imagine an easier rod to learn on than the Sage but he is still leaning towards the Loop. Is the Loop similar to the Sage? Is it as easy to learn to spey cast with as the Sage? All opinions welcome as he does not have the internet and I promised I would ask you guys the questions and print out all responses so he could read them.

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Loop 14'9wt

I own the Loop Greenline 14' 9wt and it is one hell of a power horse rod. Fast action that recovers quickly makes it ideal for many uses including overhand casting, underhand or traditional. A begginner might want to go with a slower rod though, all about casting style.
 

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A lot will depend on what sort of rod action your friend prefers. You will often hear that slower action rods are better for new casters because with a softer rod they can better feel the rod loading, but I have taught many, many casters who struggled with their slow rods, only to progress very quickly once a faster rod was placed in their hands. I have also had many, many casters who fought their faster rods only to cast easily once a slower rod was placed in their hands. One style or rod or rod action isn't inherently better than another for casters of any level. The trick is to match a rod to someone's default casting style and "feel" preference.

I'd suggest that you ask your friend what sort of actions he prefers in a single hand rod. If he likes medium-fast or fast action rods, he will probably like the Green Loop; however, if he likes slower actions like the old Orvis standard graphite rods, he might prefer a rod with a similar feel.

Specific to the rods, depending on which generation of 9140 Sage you have, the Sage and the Loop are likely to be two very different animals. The old brown blank 4 piece 9140 is quite soft, a full flexing rod that will feel slow to aggressive casters. The newer 9140 blanks are quicker. The old brown Sage 9140 3 piece is the "Euro" rod, designed by the same fellow who designed the Loop Green (Goran Andersson). This is a much faster rod than the 4 piece, as are all Sage Euro rods. The Loop is a relatively fast rod, but its progressive action allows you to feel the rod loading during the casting stroke. It was originally designed to cast shooting heads, but it works very well with longer lines, too--that good old progressive action.

Since I'm in the Vancouver area, if your friend would like to try a Loop, pm me offline and I'll see if we can arrange to have one sent out for a test drive.
 

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I have the old brown 4 piece, very soft. It was my second spey rod, the first was a Thomas&Thomas that I donated to the local high school. Seems the girls track team was in need of a pole vault. As far as his preferences for single hand rods I would have to say that neither fast nor slow action describes his rod choice. The best word would be "little" as in his rods see little action. He is more a collector than caster. To be honest if he practices with the rod more than once between now and our steelhead trip 12 months from now I will be shocked. He is more likely to pick a rod based on name, color, and how it looks with his antique series Hardy reel than how it actually feels.

All I have to go on in my experiences and maybe I should'nt think every new caster is the same. Like I said my first rod was fast and I could'nt cast worth #$%@. I tried a loaner Sage 9140 from the lfs and was casting much better almost immediately. A few years later I was fishing with a friend and he was having troubles casting his faster rod so we swapped for an hour. Out of no where he was pounding out casts 50% farther than he ever could before and I was leaving puddles of line at my feet. From then on I have developed a theory that a slow rod is easier to learn on. Even though for distance casting I think a good fast rod caster will out distance a good slow rod caster. Just my thoughts.

PS You have given me lessons on two occasions, the most recent being a few years ago below the Stave river dam after which we shared a brew at the Shark Club. If at all possible I will try to arrange a day on the river with you ,for all of us, before we take our new spey caster into the Dean for a week next August.
 

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I would recommend trying an English Rod, either a Bruce and Walker or a Clan Rod. The Clan Rod Ghillies Choice, 15' or 16' for 10/11 Wt. See clanrods.com A small maker, but great action and very easy to use. I have been using it for 5 years. Taken 2 dozen salmon with it.
 

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Tom -

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Tin Pusher and Tom,

For those of use who like fast action rods, whether single-hand or 2-hand), the T&T 2-handers, Loop Green Series, and Loomis GLX are rods we really like and have no trouble casting either short or long. Like Dana mentioned in his post, there is no "perfect" 2-hander for all casters. Some of us like and do best with fast rods, some with medium rods, and some with slow rods. In the same fashion some of us like extended belly lines, mid-belly lines, short belly lines, shooting heads, or double tapers on our 2-handers.

Which is the best choice? The one that you prefer.
 

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Loop Green

I have a Loop Green 9140 on my try rack.
I like the action and used it most of the winter for both demo’s and fishing.
This is a very fast dampening rod with a very good action for both floating and sinktip applications.
If you are in the area please stop in and give it a go.





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Sage or Loop

Aside from the performance of the rods one of the qualities I do like with the sages is there replacement policy for damaged sections of rods. Unfortatley I have had to do this twice, once with my 8150 (ran over with jeep) and once with my 10150 (A spring broke backing and took my last section of the rod with it-some one hooked it later but was damaged-My first and only cast with this rod). In each case the rods were discontinued and I would not have been able to replace with the same, exept that sage sent me a new section for those rods. I have a 9140 I like but mostly used as a back up rod now. Not sure what Loops policy is for damage.
 
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