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Well I just dropped some more coin on another “switch” rod, 8119 method. I have been leaning towards 8wt Two handers this year to toss larger flies a bit easier and land fish quicker. I have heard the methods are pretty beefy rods, hoping this 8119 isn’t over doing it for my great lakes fish... I still want to enjoy the fight! I found a good deal (imo) on this like new method at $350 shipped. Opted against the 13’ish 7wt spey I was considering previously in hopes that this could be a big gun for larger rivers and also work on the smaller systems locally. I have a 510g AF skagit switch, 480g AF rage, and a 400g opst commando for my heaviest heads... anyone thrown any of these on the 8119? Hoping to avoid purchasing more heads even though these are probably on the lighter side for the rod... thinking 540ish is more in the ballpark for skagits.
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Definitely a beefy rod, I have a 475 commando or a 550 coastal on mine, but your 510 Skagit switch will get it done I'm sure.

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Definitely a beefy rod, I have a 475 commando or a 550 coastal on mine, but your 510 Skagit switch will get it done I'm sure.

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Good to know, thanks for the input. I think I’ll start with the 510 switch... maybe grab the 475 commando for dead of winter.
 

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Yea the 510 switch kinda sucked... was able to find a local Orvis that had skagit heads in stock (only place within 2hrs...). I was a bit hesitant buying a “Mission” skagit head but gotta say, pretty happy w it! Chose the 560g x 20.5’ head and it loads the rod nicely. I am using the 12’ opst 132g tips as of now. Tried a heavy MOW floater that felt even better... bumping up to the 12’ 160g opst tips seems like a no brainer to me! Still need some work on my timing but god damn.... ZIIINNNGGGG SHE GONE!
 

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Oh. I agree on the OPST Get OPST 12’ sink tip. Makes up for the short line and avoid blowing anchors
The commando heads are what I have been using on the rest of my rods. They are amazing in my creek, especially on lighter 6wt and 7wt switches! You can be pretty delicate even in water that’s barely pushing 175cfs lol.. OPST recommends a 450g for the 8119 but the man above suggests a 475g. Think I may grab the 475 to play it safe, mainly for bigger water, tips, and bugs.
 

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I got one of these this year for my son at a similar price point. We fished it for the first time today and loved it. The line we liked the best with medium to heavy tips and weighted flies was the 550 skagit Max short. The rod definitely feels beefier than some other short 8 weight rods. Not sure what that means for the commando heads.
 

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I have an older version (8113-3) which might not be as hardy as the 8119-4. I started with a 450 gr Commando with 12 ft tips based on the OPST table for the 8119. While this did not overload the rod, I found I could make more effortless 70-80 ft casts with a 400 Commando and 10 ft tips. If you have a 400 gr Commando, try it before buying new line. "... ZIIINNNGGGG SHE GONE!" pretty much captures how my 8113 is performing with this lighter setup. I also downsized the Commando on my Winston IIX 11 ft 7 wt to 350 gr from 400 and got the same results.
 

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I have an older version (8113-3) which might not be as hardy as the 8119-4. I started with a 450 gr Commando with 12 ft tips based on the OPST table for the 8119. While this did not overload the rod, I found I could make more effortless 70-80 ft casts with a 400 Commando and 10 ft tips. If you have a 400 gr Commando, try it before buying new line. "... ZIIINNNGGGG SHE GONE!" pretty much captures how my 8113 is performing with this lighter setup. I also downsized the Commando on my Winston IIX 11 ft 7 wt to 350 gr from 400 and got the same results.
I think I’m going to take the 400g opst for a spin soon. I realized how nice the 8119 felt with a heavy MOW or 12’ of t-11 so I’m thinking that adding some grains to the tip might help my stroke a lot, especially with a lighter head. A little more stick on the water really made a difference... I haven’t used a fast rod that is this beefy b4 but I really like how it tosses the bigger flies. I’m used to 6wt and 7wt switch rods, most being progressive or softer if you will. Quite a difference but I can see a place for it no doubt!
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Have you had a chance to land a fish with it yet? Before moving to Michigan, my goto stick on Washington's Sol Duc was the method 9119. Performed great for that river where a shallow D-loop was often key and where you needed to control fish in tight quarters - not unlike most Great Lakes streams. I bet that 8119 is a fantastic choice for your intended quarry.
 

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Have you had a chance to land a fish with it yet? Before moving to Michigan, my goto stick on Washington's Sol Duc was the method 9119. Performed great for that river where a shallow D-loop was often key and where you needed to control fish in tight quarters - not unlike most Great Lakes streams. I bet that 8119 is a fantastic choice for your intended quarry.
Not yet unfortunately, only been out a few times to the small creek across the road testing heads but it’s been fishing poorly. The Oak, as we call it, should be a great place for that rod. Fished it yesterday with the Renegade 8116 and I think the 8119 method would have only helped the situation. It was cranking pretty good and would have liked the extra grain weight. I’m really looking forward to feeling a good fish on it to ease my mind lol.. its odd to me. It feels so beefy but still has a bit of softness to it, I can’t explain it I guess. I think it’s going to be a fun rod though and I am getting it dialed in nicely!
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Update:
Picked up a 19.5ft 540g airflo scout and it has been great. Used heavy imow/mows as well as 10-12ft of t-11 and t-14. Only thing that I don’t like about the scout is the memory... holy cow. Tried stretching it by hand and it stayed coiled even when swinging in swift water. Hoping it gets better bc it casts awesome on this rod!
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