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How do you feel about the venerable SAGE 9140

  • HATE IT

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Just for fun I thought I would create a poll for the venerable Sage 9140-4 Spey Rod.

Please treat the whole production run as one product. As you would say a car e.g. Ford Mustangs. Don't worry about the subtle differences between year model runs. All broad sweeping generalizations are welcome :)
 

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It was my first 2-hander. I haven't cast it let alone fished it in 7 years. It is such a noodle and is such a soft, low power, soft rod that I have to down size the line to a 7/8 MidSpey not to overload it when casting. It doesn't have the stiffness and butt strength for me to cast long, it simply collapses under the casting load I generate and put shock waves in the line, even with the 7/8 MidSpey.

My wife started out liking it last year when she started to spey cast because of its deep loading of the blank with only 50 ft of line out with a 7/8/9 Windcutter. However, after she got the rythm of spey casting down, she no longer cared for its action. Since becoming a more proficient spey caster, she likes a much faster and stiffer rod.

It doesn't have the butt power to cast large flies well, unless you use a short Skagit or Scandanavian style line. It is also very easy to overload the rod when casting because it is such a soft, noodly rod. My 12 year old who started spey casting last year doesn't like its soft, slow, noodly feel either.
 

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Not bad

It works pretty well with the TT 8/9 which is a little lighter than the RIO 7/8 midspey. I havve other rods that I much prefer now, like the Meiser 13' 6" FES and the Skagit Specialist.
 

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Sage 9140-4 Graphite III

Like many others, the Sage 9140-4 was my first two-hander. Not a bad rod, but nowhere near the legend that was the Sage 9140-3 (Three-piece Graphite III model): I still have that rod.

I believe the Sage 9140-3 is by far the best 14' two-handed rod ever built by Sage. I wish they had brought it back as a VPS model in place of the current offering. Perhaps, Sage will consider adding the 9140-3 to the VPS series in the future. I'd buy one.
 

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I've had a somewhat limited amount of experience with my 9140-4 "brownie" since buying it 2nd hand two years ago. It seemed well-balanced but unexceptional with the DT10/looped for sinktips line I started with. But when I switched to a looped S.A. Mastery 8/9, it came alive. It also loves a Cortland 444SL DT8/9 spey floating line.:p With these lines, it feels lively and eager to please, up to about 75 feet. "Too slow; too weak in the butt"? You couldn't prove it by me!

I think of it as a fine summer steelhead/smaller salmon rod (it was a delight during last autumn's pink salmon run), much more useful for lighter spey duties than shorter rods for lighter lines - at least, where I fish. I don't expect it to be a heavy duty, big river tool (although it handled a heavy wire 2/0 General Practitioner surprisingly well). When I need to fish big flies at long distances, I go to a bigger rod, and don't blame the 9140 for not being a 16-foot 11 weight.
 

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My first rod and so far only rod (many new toys to be bought soon) Only been swinging the big sticks for about 3 months have no problem casting 100' of line with tips or with out tips......Very nice loading rod with a 8/9 MS on it......Have not really over powered it as of yet comparing it to a few others I have cast such as a loop blue and a St. Croix and redington have no biased opinion either way... fast or slow progressive or non-progressive I think its a prefrence to which type of rod you like to cast in a certain situation or day...... Some days your lazy and want the rod to work for you other days you want to really put the screws to it and make the rod sing..... In my limited casting career with two handers however spent many years throwing a single hander and I think it carries over is you are going to be burning more calories throwing a faster action than say a slower action rod....
 
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You need a fifth category: Haven't decided

After 3 years I'm still undecided whether I like it or not. Fence sitting?

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SAGE 9140-4 IIIe

I am with the Mustard man on this one. I have had this rod for about 4 years now and have tried many a different line combinations. You need to have such a smooth, slow, relaxed stroke to get this thing to work well. I am not that type of caster. I have a much quicker a shorter stroke so for me its a lot of work to slow down to make her come alive. For some reason she also seems a little heavy and or bulky in the hand? But I still have her and to this date I cant see getting rid of her?
 

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Never Tried One

Although I have never tried the rod in question, I have to say that I hate to hear people saying, it is a slow rod and therefore it cannot be powerful enough to cast long lines/big flies etc. IMHO, the speed of the rod is not directly related to the power stored when flexed. A faster rod simply throws a faster, tighter loop.
Some of the legendary Grant Vibration Rods must have been very slow actioned, yet still managed 50 yard casts.
If you want to feel the power in a slow actioned rod, simply adjust your timing to suit the rod. When I find I am having an off day with my Spey casting, 9 ot of 10 times slowing down my casting stroke works (i.e I've been moving too fast for the rod).
 

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9140 IIIe Greenie...

Is my first, and so far, only rod... been casting the 9140 for a year now. Was a bit frustrated with it at first, because I tend to favor faster action single handers, and found myself trying to rush and "power" the cast. Which, as Flytyer and other dissenters have noted, tends to collaps the rod. It does not have the backbone of other rods down in the butt section. That said, after a year of casting it, and getting used to the action, and slowing my own casting stroke down, AND learning WHEN to put that little bit of umph in it, I've learned to love it. I can easily fish 80-100' of line with an 8/9/10 windcutter, with tips up to type 8, all day long. As Juggy noted, it's a rod, that with good timing and the right stroke, can really work for you and work well. It's just taken me a year to figure that out. And I agree with his assessment on faster actions rods. After spending time with CND's Steelhead Specialist, I found myself working harder with that rod than I did with the 9140, with little difference in casting distance and water covered. That certainly has a lot to do with the line used (Skilly and I are STILL searching for the best line for that one) and getting used to a new casting stroke and action. But for now, I'll stick with the 9140 and enjoy it. Now if I could only find that 8/9 Airflo Speycaster line I've been asking about, I'd REALLY be happy!!! Besides, I'd rather spend that $6-700 on a trip to Alaska, than a new rod... :smokin:
Chromefever talked about the weight and bulkiness of the rod - Agree with the weight assessment, wish it were an ounce or two lighter, especially after picking up some of the CND rods. But the bulkiness of the grip - I like it. I like the fatter handle, fits my hand better (and if you want less, sand away - CAREFULLY!!!). My one complaint about the CND rods (besides the god-awfull Steelhead Specialist Blank color and texture - looks like a K-Mart fiberglass special!!! [I'll catch hell for that one!! } :eyecrazy: :whoa: ) is that the cork feels really small, and doesn't fit well in my hand. hard for me to pinch the line as i'm casting.. Anyways, my buck and change...
 

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I used a 9140 IIIe greenie for the last 4 years until recently. It was not my first rod it was my second.
Before that was a Scott 1308 ARC. I had not cast alot of other rods until about 3 months ago. The greenie performed fine for me out to 80' or so including 4' leader. I only used a 9/10/11 with tip 2 removed(Mike Kinney style). With floating tip distance is a little more. 80' feet is more than enough for the rivers I fish most of the time. Little effort is required on my part. With that said I have started using a CND 1308 custom and love it. I have to agree that the greenie lacks some reserve power and is slower but I just adjust my casting stroke with what ever rod I am using. There has been alot of changes in speyrods in the last 2 years. If you did a poll a few years back Sage would have been at the top of the list. At least it was in the northwest. I still want a true 15' 8 WT to come out for summer long line work.
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Big K1,

Since you like softer, medium power, slower recovery rods, the ARC 1509 would be a very good 15' 8 wt for long-belly lines, although it is a faster and more powerful than the 9140-4. The GrandSpey 7/8 and 7/8 XLT both work well on it. Also, the Sage 9150-4 is nice softer, mid-power, slow recovery 15' rod that works fine with the 7/8 XLT.

I still want someone to produce a stiff, fairly powerful, fast recovery 15' that I can use a 7/8 GrandSpey or XLT on. Unfortunately, I am unaware of one being made at this time.
 

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Flytyer,

Bruce & Walker make a 15' 7/9 Powerlite Speycaster. Having never tried it, I am unsure of its action, but I know a lot of anglers who swear by it for summer fishing on the large waters like the Tay and the Spey, here in Scotland.
 

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Gary,

I had the chance to cast it last fall. It is not as stiff or as fast in recovery as I like. It did do a very nice job of casting the GrandSpey 7/8 though. It has the power I like, just not the stiffness and recovery rate I've been looking for.

It is a much different rod than the other B&W's I've cast, much stiffer (moderately stiff) and faster recovering (moderate recovery speed) while having nice power. It would be a dandy rod for those looking for a 15' 8wt who like moderately stiff, powerful, moderate recovery rods.
 

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9140

Personaly, I think nearly everyone spends way to much time looking for the killer rod. the next big Bertha. I suspect that a lot of rods that were at one time great would still do just fine.Unlike many of you, I have big gaps between intense days on a river. If I also experimented with different rods, it would take even longer to find the groove. I rely heavily on muscle memory, and my old muscles have less and less memory!So I think it is counter productive to always try new rods if you do just fine with the one you have.If you dont,I think more time spent on lessons or tapes may be a better use of time.Maybe some time shld be devoted to strict practice, rather than practice while you fish.The solution my reside within you rather than within the rod.Not preaching! Just suggesting! Beau
 

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Right On!!

Beau, I think you hit the nail SQUARE on the head!!! It took me time and practice on the water to "get: the 9140 that I have. I had adjustments to make. But once I invested that time, it clicked, and I'm very happy. I contemplated a different rod, but finances didn't allow. One may come into possession in the future, as "needs" arise, but it won't be because the 9140 doesn't meet my needs.
There's a lot of talk/discuss/what ever on other threads about supposed difficulties on matching lines to rods. because of the different casting styles, rod actions, line designs, etc., I think that's impossible, as many factory reps have stated. However, given that you select a line for the rod that is with an expected norm for use (Peter S-C's model is a usefull tool for that, as well as these pages), that rod and line combo will work.....if the person is willing to take the time to use and practice and adjust to the idiosyncracies of that combo... I think a lot of people give up on lines/rods/combo's of because they don't give it enough time to "learn" that combo, not because the combos "wrong." Especially the newbies. Same rod in different caster's hands will perform differently. Either you can search endlessly for lines, get used to it, or play another game... Now, for those crusty ol' folks who've been doing it for years, some time's its hard to teach an old dog new tricks!!! :devil: :devil: :chuckle:
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Flytyer,

The longer rod that I recently played around with is the CND Salar. What a great rod. Very light. I am a shorthead guy playing around with longer lines for fun. I don't know if I would fish with a long belly or even a mid belly in winter. 9140 is a great tip rod IMHO. I will be using my 1308 custom for my tip work in winter now.

Kevin
 
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