I understand that the old brown Sage 9140-4 has a pretty slow rod action. I have heard that the newer teal colored 9140-4 IIIe is quite a bit stiffer, but can anyone give me an opinion of how it compares to the 9141-4 Euro model of the same vintage? (I believe this is graphite IV, don't know the color). I have been considering getting a used Sage 9wt model as a first spey rod (to use with a 9/10 RIO midspey), and my friends are suggesting faster action spey models (my single-handed graphite rods are either Sage SP or RPL models). However, it seems that the 9140-4 IIIe is a lot more common to find as a used rod than the 9141-4.
Sage 9140-4 IIIe vs. 9141-4 IV
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Never had (but would love too!) try the Sage 9wt Euro you mentioned above. But do have both the "old and new"914's and the 915. Across the board you'll find the 'green' blanks to be considerably stiffer than the original brown rods. (Same situation with the 7136's)
As you're looking at tossing the Mid Spey line I strongly recommend you "go for the green." I suspect you'll find the 9/10 mid spey will be far too much line for the lighter 'brown' blank.
Fred
Never had (but would love too!) try the Sage 9wt Euro you mentioned above. But do have both the "old and new"914's and the 915. Across the board you'll find the 'green' blanks to be considerably stiffer than the original brown rods. (Same situation with the 7136's)
As you're looking at tossing the Mid Spey line I strongly recommend you "go for the green." I suspect you'll find the 9/10 mid spey will be far too much line for the lighter 'brown' blank.
Fred
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I don't know what a second hand Sage would cost, but it probably isn't much less than a new Scott SAS (low $400's with a lifetime warranty).
I don't know what a second hand Sage would cost, but it probably isn't much less than a new Scott SAS (low $400's with a lifetime warranty).
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These threads, and the Archives, are stiff with references to the older 9140-4. Me, I recently got one (older brown model, under $320 on eBay), and have used it twice. The second time was yesterday on the Skagit, trying it side-by-side with a demo 7141-4. The newer rod, lined with a Mastery 8/9 spey line, was fine: a lively, medium-fast dandy for smaller flies (I fished #6's). The older rod seemed slower and less powerful by comparison , lined with a custom-spliced DT10, but also user -friendly at shorter distances (I unveiled it on the Vedder R. last week).
Then on a hunch, I switched the lines. The 7141 didn't feel overloaded with the 10, just as flat as a telemarketer at the end of a double shift. The 9140, with the 8/9 long-belly, seemed a lot livelier, much more like the 7141. (This is the first time I've had a spey rod perform well with a line lighter than its rating.) Both rods easily cast 80-85 feet.
I also tried an XLT 8/9 on the 9140 last week. It seemed fine, but I was casting about 50 feet on the shrunken Chehalis River.
I'd be happy with either rod on a summer steelhead river. I'd want to build a 7141 blank with trimmer, lighter fittings than its overly-plump stock form. Sorry that I can't offer a comparison with the 9141-4. I haven't tried one, but no doubt others have.
Then on a hunch, I switched the lines. The 7141 didn't feel overloaded with the 10, just as flat as a telemarketer at the end of a double shift. The 9140, with the 8/9 long-belly, seemed a lot livelier, much more like the 7141. (This is the first time I've had a spey rod perform well with a line lighter than its rating.) Both rods easily cast 80-85 feet.
I also tried an XLT 8/9 on the 9140 last week. It seemed fine, but I was casting about 50 feet on the shrunken Chehalis River.
I'd be happy with either rod on a summer steelhead river. I'd want to build a 7141 blank with trimmer, lighter fittings than its overly-plump stock form. Sorry that I can't offer a comparison with the 9141-4. I haven't tried one, but no doubt others have.
Not sure this will help but, I have a 9140 brown blank and a green blank 9141. There's not much comparisson. Never tried the new 9140 though. The 9140 is a much slower rod without the power of the euro model. I've always preferred the faster actions on one handed rods, seems to be the same with the two handed.
Tighter loops with the euro and much easier to overhand cast. Can throw a lot more line and is much easier with tips with the euro model. Best to see if you can try them out before you buy.
jims
Tighter loops with the euro and much easier to overhand cast. Can throw a lot more line and is much easier with tips with the euro model. Best to see if you can try them out before you buy.
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The newest 9140 with a IIIe blank is actually a caramel brown blank, again. I have the new 9140-4 IIIe and a friend of mine has the old 9140 "brown" and the in between model that is teal colored. There is a definite difference between all 3 rods. Me preference is for the new 9140-4 IIIe caramel brown blank. It is smooth and quite a cannon. A lot of this will also depend on which type of line you plan on using. A shorter shooting style line like a windcutter, which is what I prefer, or the longer belly lines like the GrandSpey and XLT will have an affect on which rod you may want to look at. I have not tried the 9141 however I have tried both the 7136 and 7141. Both are very nice rods and work fairly well. I do not care for the extremely fast action spey rods myself such as a Loomis GLX or the T&T. But I do love the action of the newer Sage rods, non euro style. I would highly suggest trying a couple of different rods before buying one if you have the opportunity! Good Luck and TIght Lines
The newest 9140 with a IIIe blank is actually a caramel brown blank, again. I have the new 9140-4 IIIe and a friend of mine has the old 9140 "brown" and the in between model that is teal colored. There is a definite difference between all 3 rods. Me preference is for the new 9140-4 IIIe caramel brown blank. It is smooth and quite a cannon. A lot of this will also depend on which type of line you plan on using. A shorter shooting style line like a windcutter, which is what I prefer, or the longer belly lines like the GrandSpey and XLT will have an affect on which rod you may want to look at. I have not tried the 9141 however I have tried both the 7136 and 7141. Both are very nice rods and work fairly well. I do not care for the extremely fast action spey rods myself such as a Loomis GLX or the T&T. But I do love the action of the newer Sage rods, non euro style. I would highly suggest trying a couple of different rods before buying one if you have the opportunity! Good Luck and TIght Lines
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Nooksack Mac, good discovery on your part. Time consuming, yes, but it always pays to try different lines on your rods. The dirty little secret is when it comes down to it, just about any line weight will work on any rod. I am constantly amazed by how well a softer rod will throw a wide range of line weights. Well I suppose this is good info to have if your ever in a pinch with a broken rod or lost line and having to make do with unbalanced equipment. The real value in experimentation is figuring out which lines work best for your personal style. This year I've found that on most rods(especially med-med fast action/ie 9140 brown-LOOP yellow 9140), I tend to prefer to underline slightly. I think if most experienced casters were to go the the trouble of trying it, they would find that it wasn't necessary to loadbup a 9weight with a 10 weight line. I have found this to be especially true with rods 14-15' and head lengths of 50-70'.
just my $.02
Brian Niska
just my $.02
Brian Niska
I've never had 9140-3 european but I've had 9141-4 Europeand made from graphite-IV. It's very heavy rod and its power compares with Scott ARC-1510, more powerful than Sage brown 10150-4 Traditional. 7-lb atlantic salmon couldn't bend it deeper than upper 1/3! I've fished with it thru 2 weeks this autumn - it's a real back-ach to me (Guideline and Loop floating heads and Mastery spey 8-9). Needs heavy reel for proper balance. Works good on overhead cast, good enoguh on ulderhand and not good on speycast with longbelly line. It seems to me 8-9 line not load it enough.
Sincerely,
Alex K.
Sincerely,
Alex K.
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