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A day fishing where I am using a rated 4wgt single handed 9' rod. I might have a chance to fish drys, nymphs, and streamers that day. Some areas are open, some very tight. I want to be able to change from overhead to spey, dry to streamer at will. Now I think one line is not optimum to do that, If I had to choose one line though, what weight or type of line might possible give me the best results for all the above. I hate changing lines and heads. Flies and tippets are mainly what I want to work with. Thank you in advance slack
















ome areas are quite open others very tight.
 

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As regards presenting a fly, as opposed to casting a line/leader, the most important part is the front taper of the line, and the leader. How long is the taper? How thick or thin is the tip diameter? These affect your results, as does the length and tippet diameter of your leader. You can get by with a standard line taper, casting indicators and nymphs that aren't too bulky or heavy. But specialty lines give you more latitude.

If you don't like changing rigs, cowboy up and do it, or hire a guide/minion to do it for you. Come on! Changing them is just a few times during a day. An extra reel spool can be carried in your hip pocket.
 

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Most if not all WF floating lines will do everything you mentioned : Roll cast or anchored (spey) casts in tight spots, overhead for longer distance where there's room. Most specialty lines are slightly on the heavy side.
 

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Agree with the above--OPST Commando seems like it'd be the best for what you're looking for. Follow their line chart, and don't be surprised with, or doubt, the recommendations.

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WF4F line for your dries and nymphing. Get a micro skagit or better yet... a 15' tapered sink tip for your streamer work and run that from your WF line as a shooting head. No need for the running line, unless you feel like then you can simply reverse your WF and use back of the line as a runner. You can spey cast the 15' sink tips if you treat it as a head. You would be surprised how deep and effectively you can fish with such method. Not sure what grains 4wt will take but my guess would be 150 or so.
 

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RIO Gold

If I were you I would just get a 4wt RIO Gold and forget about it. You can do all the things you said. You can roll cast it just fine. If you are looking for an all around line it will work. I nymph, throw dries and streamers on mine all throughout the day on a regular basis without a problem.There is no silver bullet.
 

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Wulff Ambush is tapered and therefore behaves significantly better than Skagit bellys but perhaps WF3F 175gr head is bit too heavy for 4ft rod and its 18ft head definitely serve Spey better than overhead casting but again it OH casts better than level Skagit belly.

IMO Wulff TT Nymph 27ft head is a good compromise between OH and Spey!

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WF4F line for your dries and nymphing. Get a micro skagit or better yet... a 15' tapered sink tip for your streamer work and run that from your WF line as a shooting head. No need for the running line, unless you feel like then you can simply reverse your WF and use back of the line as a runner. You can spey cast the 15' sink tips if you treat it as a head. You would be surprised how deep and effectively you can fish with such method. Not sure what grains 4wt will take but my guess would be 150 or so.
Me too! Some DH line tips are heavy enough to be cast using SH rods. These Loop tips have been very cheap (about £5) lately in UK web shops and auctions site. Whole Adapted line system has been on market very long time but they still have the best loops and they have very good taper. I don't know when they have been made but they are soft and pliaple.

Tips are very versatile and serve as front taper for all rods depending the belly. I have cut old Skagit and Spey lines to various lengths and looped them and use them as belly to increase head length and head weight and there is no more loop connections than there is when typical Skagit setup is cast but tapered tip improve line loop behabior and makes line landing softer.

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Or... one can use floating MOW tip and run 10' poly or t8. Rio also makes 12' Trout Max Skagit.

On the other hand Rio Gold will do it for you but if you want a truly versatile system, get a head/heavy tip of some form for your streamer fishing.
 

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I fish a 4 wt most of the time on my local trout water, with the same floating line. I switch out my leaders for different conditions and fly types. I use a furl leader for below the surface fishing or tungsten for deep fishing in heavy water. If I want to use dries, I use a tapered floro leader. Switch out quickly with a loop to loop connection to my line. Seems to work for me!
 

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For the type of fishing normally associated with a 4 weight... those straight-forward floaters sound good to me. I like the Ambush underlined by one weight for single-hand rods to 8#. It's a good multi-purpose line.
 

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Another vote for the Wulff Nymph Taper. The head is 27' long (the 3 weight is only 23' long). The line is overweighted by approximately 1.5 line sizes. It is a Scandi Taper with an integrated running line. The line can do what your are asking. You can single hand dry fly fish and then turn around and spey cast streamers (not big heavy stuff with the 4 weight but standard trout size bead head wooly buggers, Muddlers, etc. Then you can put on a bobber and nymph fish and mend your line. Don't let the overweighting of the line concern you about delicacy in dry fly fishing as the line tapers nicely. I have the line in 3, 4 and 5 weight. I got the following off another website, I would note that my own scale reading for the 3, 4 and 5 weight are higher than below by about 5% to 10%. I think this is because I weigh the head and the 2 to 3 feet of back taper. Also to note the Nymph and Bass tapers are the same line just different colors and line weights:

Wulff Nymph and Bass Tapers
Line................ #.......Grains......Grams...Head Length
Nymph............3........110...........7.13...23' Foot head
Nymph............4.......148........... 9.6...27' head
Nymph............5.......172...........11.2...27' head
Nymph/Bass....6.......195...........12.6...27' head
Nymph/Bass....7........227..........14.7 ...27' head
Nymph/Bass....8........260..........16.85...27' head
Bass................9........289..........18.7...27' head
Bass...............10.......310..........20.1 ...27' head

The Vision Vibe 65 (21' Head), Vision Vibe 85 (28' Head) are also some other lines that you can look at. The Vibe 65 is an Ambush style line with much less testosterone:surprise: The Vision Vibe 85 is very similar to the Wulff Nymph/Bass Taper
 

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Wow some assume ideas. I want to try all of them. I don't own any Wulff lines but have always been interested. I presently own a Spey quadline with four 15' 150 GN tips that I never thought about attaching to my 4 wgt line as a head. Of course I could buy a Commando and attach the same way Thank you all for your input and effort great ideas, thanks slack
 

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There is no magic bullet!

Reading through this post...some of the ideas seem terrible!

No doubt that a Commando would be an awesome line for Streamer fishing. It would make a terrible dry-fly line. I can't imagine trying to land a fly softly from a #12 on down where fish are not going to spook (I would think you would be lucky to ever find a fish on a system like the Metolius w/ a Commando and a small dry fly...tough enough with a line/leader designed for delicacy). You will undoubtedly hit the water hard enough with a Commando to sink small dries on touch-down? Probably not much of a nymphing line either. I mean if you make a 30' cast with a bobber and a couple of nymphs, upstream or upstream and across, there will be almost zero ability to mend, set up a drift or feed line. Streamers and Single hand spey cast...Commando is sound!

Gold is a great all around line with respects to dry fly fishing and general nymphing...but there are much better trade off lines if good streamer fishing is what you want.

I think you might need to asses where the majority of your fishing will be and plan around that. If you plan to primarily fish dries and only switched because fish won't coax to the surface...Rio Gold would be awesome. If you fish Streamers primarily...Commando might be the way to go?

If you are looking for a line that evenly splits time...33 1/3% dry, 33 1/3% nymph and 33 1/3% streamer...get a Wulff Joan Signature taper. It does all things pretty well...actually very well. This line does not get enough press, who knows why?

The other options as mentioned prior is to get a spool or two and have the best line in your pack for what ever fishing style fits the moment. It does only take a minute or two to clip a dry fly, reel up, change spools and re-line the rod. Maybe a couple more minutes to axe a bobber, off the split-shot and a couple of nymphs and switch spools.

I would rather spend the money to have what I need/ what works than to burn a well deserved day off trying to turn over a Galloup ariticulated Dungeon with a Rio Gold 4 weight?

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I was thinking the same thing - even their advocates/inventors would probably not say the the comandos are for dry flies. Ker-plunk! Not to mention more surface drag and difficult to impossible to mend well for a dead drift.

Since no one has mentioned it yet, Rio has a "single hand Spey" line which is more or less a typical WF trout line like the Gold with a beefed up part on the butt. It casts dries overhead beautifully and delicately. I think this is just one short step from where you are now that goes in the direction of a bit more ease of SH Spey casting. You could try one of those, perhaps a 5wt on your 4wt rod, if you would like a little bit of a leg up on the ease of Spey casts. No need to go though commando electroshock therapy to cure a hangnail. Then all the other nice tricks people mention above for trout lines will apply as well!
 

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Thats why I brought up small shooling head for fishing streamers. Just loop that on the front of your Gold line and you are set. If you feel like you desperate for distance just flip the gold and utilize the running line. I personally hated Wulff Ambush triangle taper for anything but purely swinging. Just too much mass in the butt for close in streamer and dry fly work. I would cross that out completely.
 

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Thats why I brought up small shooling head for fishing streamers. Just loop that on the front of your Gold line and you are set. If you feel like you desperate for distance just flip the gold and utilize the running line. I personally hated Wulff Ambush triangle taper for anything but purely swinging. Just too much mass in the butt for close in streamer and dry fly work. I would cross that out completely.
I like that idea a lot! That way if you are in a situation where you really HAVE to do a very attenuated SA cast you can. Hell, just attach the comando to the end of the trout line - they are short enough to count as tips, right? I'm sure it annoys the purists, but I think it is awesome. So wish I had thought of that.
 

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I like that idea a lot! That way if you are in a situation where you really HAVE to do a very attenuated SA cast you can. Hell, just attach the comando to the end of the trout line - they are short enough to count as tips, right? I'm sure it annoys the purists, but I think it is awesome.
I used to drive a semi across the states on i90 and i80 passing some of the best trout fisheries we have. All I had was my cheap Cabelas Three Forks 8' 4wt with me (which is by the way a whicked rod) a WF line and some 15' floating and sinking tips. I was able to toss #18 and when switched to a micro head I was able to fish a 3' bunny streamers. I found this to be very versitile way to travel light. Purist... is there anything pure left these days? :frown2:
 

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Just a little off subject but looking for the optimum line. In the video, In search of the perfect loop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeMb1LjHm Was the same rod and line used through out the video for spey and overhead casting and what were they? I want to thank all for your participation lots of great ideas I learned a lot. Thanks slack
 
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