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Hi,
My first official post on this forum. I started reading interesting things on Spey pages for about a year ago and now am hooked.
I would like to know if there are someone that has tried the OPST commando Head on the Sage 4116. I have just bought one, and it´s 275 grain. I will mainly use it with MOW light tips. Will it be to light or what’s the experience with this combination?

Thanks in advance!
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I have owned the Sage 4116 ONE since its introduction,, one of my favorite Trout Spey rods.

The OPST 275gr Commando or RIO Skagit Trout 275gr works fine with MOW light 2.5ft or 5ft tips.

If going to longer tips or T-11 medium MOW in longer lengths,,, I would change to 300gr OPST Commando or RIO Skagit Short heads.

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Thanks for the input. The plan was to get a 300 grain but it´s difficult to shop for OPST (live in Sweden). I will start using the 10´ MOW and perhaps some 10´ Versileaders and see how it works out.
I love this rod and have used it with the Rio Scandi Short Versitip 275. It´s a great combination, perhaps the best? But earlier this year I bought a 200 grain OPST for my 10´ 5 wt. rod and that is super fun to use and am curious to see how the sage rod correspond with a shorter head.
 

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I agree on the RIO Scandi Short 275gr, excellent line for the rod.

The rod works very nicely with the ultra short heads in 275 & 300gr, remember to really slow down your casting stroke speed, very easy to pull the anchor.
When timing is adjusted it is very smooth and amazing how easy they cast.

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Finally I got some time for fishing. The OPST 275 worked well with the rod. At first I used it with a Slick Shooter Running line. Then I tried a 30 lb. OPST Lazer. But I thought it was a bit too ag-gressive for my taste. I tried to cool down the stroke but it went away like an jet plane every time and “smacked” back on the water during “landing”.
Then I changed to a Coated running line and “love” appeared. Smoothness and balance and it was so easy to cast. Perhaps the length of a 300 grains would work even better on this rod,,,?
Regarding tips I used Mow light and Versileaders. They all worked well but the Scandi versileaders was the best I think.

One other thing is that the 4116 rod continues to amaze me. During this trip I fished the OPST and it worked great. Then I change to the Scandi Short and that is perfection and last I tried the Skagit Max Short 325 grains and even that worked great. The rod “takes” everything; it just changes in feel.
During this trip my fishing buddy wanted to try the rod every day and now he has ordered one … Just an amazing rod! Great work Sage whit this one! The negative side is that I need to start saving money so I can order the Sage 2109; if it´s a “midget” 4116 it will be a great tool for smallish trout’s :)

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Mostly streamers/cone heads, about 4-7 cm. I tend to fish tubes that are easy to cast rather than big bulky flies. But the OPST head give me the option to use bigger flies also. A nice combination with the 275 grain head. More Scandi feeling with Scandi tips; then I can switch to MOW and run Skagit and bigger flies.
Hopefully I will have a shot at a second trip later this summer. Then I will use the setup with floating tips and / or intermediate tip and run some skaters on the surface. That, am sure will be sweet!

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So, how has it been with the skaters?

It's interesting to see that Sage seems not to have updated the Sage One 4116 with an X model. Why not?

I just ordered the 4116. I see the Scandi Short Versitip 275 is called great for the road by all who have used and written about it.

Regarding OPST, Craig from Red's Flyshop recommends 250 grain with the 4116. He also provided this resource:

http://north40.com/media/resources/opst-line-charts.pdf

Mattias, FKrow, and those of you who have tried, I also have some questions. I am planning to strip and/or swing streamers of 5-7 cm, some of them weighted. Would you recommend MOW tips, or will I get along with the Versitip alone?

Also I wonder, what are you giving up when you use the OPST Skagit setup? I read a lot about what's great about it, but every single thing has disadvantages, too. What are they? Or to put it another way, what does the Scandi Short Versitip setup do better?
For starters, which outfit allows for more distance? I'm fishing the Rhine, so sometimes distance will be important to reach those far-away fish at the edge of the stronger current. And what are other differences between the two setups?

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Hi Eike and first of, congratulation of buying a nice rod. The 4116 is my sweetheart and I love fishing with it. FCrow are for sure better than me answering these types of questions, he has help me more than a few times with great info. But here is my perspective:
I started using the rod with the SSVT 275 grains and that combination is great and to me the perfect combination. Nice casting, tight D-loop and pretty good distance, especially if there is no wind. With this line I go with tube-flies from 3-5 cm.
Next line I purchased the OPST 275 grains and I really liked it, super easy to cast. At first I used it with the Lazar but changed to a coated version and then it was perfect. I am not a distance caster, I like smoothness and the goal is to sneak up on trout´s.
I started using OPST with a 5/5 mow light and it worked but after some time I changed to a versileder type 3 and in I few minutes a nice trout smacked the fly. That had nothing to do with the tip (I think) but it was hard to change back after that. I like the versileders (again for the smoothness and good presentations) but the mows are great for some tactical fishing and they are for sure better for flies in the 5-7 cm range. I had no problem casting them with the 275 OPST.
The best setup for me is to have both these lines (and versitips and a couple of MOW: s) because they are so different: OPST windy days, and when using a bit bigger flies. SSVT when you need more delicate presentations and using smaller flies.
For next year I will try the 300 grain OPST and it is perhaps a bit on the heavy side of things but it’s a tad bit longer than the 275 and that will hopefully give me a suitable presentation. That said; things will not exclusively get better by changing grains, I need to practice casting the OPST.
If you go with the 250 OPST I would like to get some info about that combination.

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I'll go the same way. I ordered the SSVT 275 gr and the Lazar shooting line. OPST will follow, just not exactly sure which weight it'll be. The 250 was sold out just now.
Maybe it's a good idea to get started with the Rio exclusively, at least for the beginning, as I'm starting Spey casting for the first time?
Also, I'm not targeting steelhead here, and I'll have to see how effective sinktips are and how deep I'll have to fish for asp in the Rhine. And when I find I cannot get larger streamers out effectively I'll add the OPST.
That would be the reasonable way, I think. But then, I'm susceptible to those OPST marketing ideas... I have a feeling I have to try one...

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I too love this rod. Agree the SSVT in the 275 is great. My favorite line on this rod used with a 10' poly trout leader is the airflo switch floating line in a 270 or 300. As long as you don't need to chuck big flies this line is superb with great presentation. Being a one piece line it also can be stripped in close with out that annoying knot clinking through the rings
 
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