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As I understand it, the Winter Authority is the same as the Fall Favorite, but the line is cut and looped at 12' for loops.

Does the WA with the floating tip cast and fish the same as it's FF counterpart? If I was going to buy a Nextcast line for my Burkie 7127, should I buy the WA so I can do both floating and sink tip fishing?

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Hi James,

The Nextcast WA with the floating tip will cast and feel the same as the equivalent FF. I think it would be a great idea to get the WA, you wil have more versatility. I hope this helps you decide.

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It makes sense to me that the FF will be phased out

The loop to loop connector on the WA lines is so compact that it isn't even noticeable going through the guides that I can't imagine the FF needing to be retained in the product mix. I have two FF that I will use until they need to be replaced, but I'll bet I cut them and loop them myself into WA-s.
 

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Personally - I'd like to see the full-lines brought back. Not because of the loop connection but for the back taper. I have a full-line 55. I also had a GPS which cracked so badly that I cut it at the rear and spliced it to a FF45 head. Honestly, I feel that these lines cast smoother with back taper at the tip-top compared to a running line/ head with a bit of overhang. Other than the comp lines the other two full lines (FF45 and Seasons O) are only available 7/8 or greater...
 

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Interesting Discussion

I agree about the full lines, I'd like to see them go lower than currently available.

About the need for the FF series--WA Loops will wear out, I understand, but will that cause me to throw away an otherwise good line? No, I think I'll be able to create new loops and my line with be a few inches shorter than it was before. From a cost standpoint, what is the use of producing and maintaining an inventory of two products that are essentially the same. I'd be interested to hear why people buy the FF series, maybe I'm missing something.
 

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For me, I think it's a psychological thing.
Strapping on an FF70 means I'm drylining, and I'm going long, baby:smokin:
I can put some T-8 and a small bunny on there without cutting the line, and if I'm serious about longer or heavier sinktips I have other heads for that.

My FF45s are "holy crap" lines. In between a long scandi and short spey head, but they fly like they're escaping Syria. Cutting them back would break my heart. Jeez, cut 12' off that line and you've got what? A pretty long Skagit head, albeit with a carrying capacity like a Clydesdale.

I know the WAs are awesome, I just have a love affair with the FFs. A dirty, dirty love affair.
 

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Interesting Perspective

I like the FF70 comment, but I'm a little confused about the 45 comment. If I had a WA45 couldn't I do the same thing as with the FF45? Would it fly like it was getting out of Syria and if I looped on a heavy sink tip wouldn't I have the carrying capacity to fish dead chickens?
 

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About the need for the FF series--WA Loops will wear out, I understand, but will that cause me to throw away an otherwise good line? No, I think I'll be able to create new loops and my line with be a few inches shorter than it was before.
Point taken, but, re-looping the head is a PITA. And taking stuff out of the taper will affect the way the line turns over, any discontinuity in the taper will. Even the looped sections on the WAs. Small effect and you'd probably have to be an A-list tournament caster to care, but it's there.

I'd be interested to hear why people buy the FF series, maybe I'm missing something.

Aside from the extra ten bucks, I think the psychology comment above is on point. I own some FF lines, some WA lines, and some FF lines I've cut for tips. I don't pretend any particular strategy in what I've accumulated, but I do reach for the FF ones for dry line work. Part of this I think is to avoid the temptation to muck with my equipment if I am not catching fish.
 

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glcaddis, your comment makes sense.
But still, a line- whole, unsullied, and uncompromised- that flies like that simply appeals to me on a deep level. It's an uncompromised dryline. It's an idea and a commitment.

Told you, it's psychological. I have versitip type lines, and use them in winter sometimes. I'm not badmouthing anything and your comments are technically correct. But from June to November I know what I'll be looping on!
 

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For the reasons previously stated I went with the FF and it absolutely blew my mind. No line has impressed me as much as this one. I was just having fun with it and it is a real joy. Liking the FF so much does make me want to get a WA though!! I went with the lower line rating for the rod and it is riiiiiight on the money.
 

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full length lines.

I will go along with those that prefer the full lines. I fish a Fall Favorite 70 7/8 full line on my 15 ft Loomis and it is a joy to cast. I have talked to several that have the same combo with just the head and don't care for it.

I hope that some full lines are made available in the future.


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I agree with Gene, Using the FF70 and WA70 on a B&W they both cast virtually the same. If I had to buy just one I would go with the WA. You can used the floating tip included for light work, or remove the tip and throw on a 15' type 6 or type 8 and it cast just as well. The shorter lines seem to perform just as well.
 

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on dead chickens and the 45' 5/6 ...

specifically with regards to the 45' 5/6 line for tips and chickens ...

the head is 40' minus 12' tip, leaves 28' belly weighing around 375-400 grains. Ignoring taper, the belly weighs on average ~ 14 gr/ft. Attach sinktip to that (IMO T-8 is easy and appropriate, T-11 requires clean technique to be consistent)

your CFB 7127 also throws a 20' skagit weighing 480 grains, on average 24 gr/ft (T-11 is easy, T-14 possible).

they're different that way ... a belly of 14 vs 24 gr/ft is a big gap in power. The short fat skagit has more push for "Jersey Giant" chickens whereas the Nextcast 45' has more speycasting finesse and distance capability with bantams.

for less-than-dirty subsurface fishing, I like the 45' 5/6 with the floating tip (or floating head), my regular 12-13' mono leader, and a sparsely dressed 2-3" conehead. In this capacity, the angler takes a little more responsibility to control the subsurface presentation, but the line is a kingfisher.
 

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Blind Splice Loop in running line

I use AirFlo Miracle Braid. I have pulled the core out of it and used a blind splice loop to create a loop that will slip over the reel after running it through the small loop on the Nextcast line. Then all is snugged up, there is practically no friction in the guides when the joint moves through. I used to use the thin, coated running line and I believe I get better distance and far less chance to hang in the guides with this arrangement.

I can't say anything about how the distance of the cast would compare my the setup I've described compared to a full line, but my guess that the Miracle Braid setup would at least equal, if not surpass the setup with more conventional coated running line.
 

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Will have to fall in with the FF guys on this. I just spent several days on the Clearwater with FF70's in 7/8 and 9/10. Very appealing for me when things went just right and the long line laid out the way it should. The FF's have certainly helped me improve my long line abilities. I have Delta's and Delta Long's with tips if I decide to go that direction.
 

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Winter Authority

Just ordered a Winter Authority!

So stoked!
 
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