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There were some discussions about these in the fall but I didn't see anyone writing about their fishing experience with them yet. I took advantage of the exchange rate arbitrage to buy a new 10/11 a few months ago and have now fished it for a while so I thought I would put a few thoughts down and see if others have thoughts as well. I have two older Cascapedias so I am comparing the new generation to those reels. I've enjoyed fishing this one so far and am glad I bought it.

Some things about the reel seem completely the same, such as weight, capacity, and the tiny tiny arbor.

There are clearly some things I like better. The drag works better for me so far, smooth and clean. The drag pressure also seems to adjust better (my old ones often go from weak to impossibly strong in 1-2 clicks). I like the new finish as well.

On the downside, there are two things I like less. One is that the sound is actually different. It's definitely still loud, but the new one is not as loud and not as tinny. Some might prefer that, but it sounds less authentic to me. The second problem (and this is the big one for me) is that the size of the knob on the S handle is noticeably smaller both in terms of length and diameter. On a long fight you want something you can grab onto easily, and I think Hardy has got this one wrong. Perhaps they got complaints about people losing fish when the big handle hit their fingers or something.

My older reels have had occasional need for service for rust and other issues, but that's a long term issue and I don't have any sense of that yet.

As always YMMV.
 

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The drag pressure also seems to adjust better (my old ones often go from weak to impossibly strong in 1-2 clicks).
That was my only complaint about my Cascapedia MKIII. "Click" #3 could stop a tuna !! Don't know what the other 5-6 clicks were for. Never set the drag passed 1 or 2 clicks.
Other than that, fit and finish was top shelf.


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I picked one of these up for a good price a couple years ago as well. I thought the same thing about the drag for a while too, until I got the drag wet. Once the internals are wet, the drag get a bit dicey... It will seem to still have near the same startup drag as the original selected setting, but once static drag has been surpassed the drag will lose any stopping power. This has been the case from the lowest to the highest setting. Not to the point of free spooling, just a very weak drag all the way through the spectrum. There are times when the clicker noise will actually silence for a while as well... I thought these reels had a sealed drag??

It's been a little frustrating with this new reel to say the least, even a light drizzle is enough to dampen things and cause inconsistency in the drag. The ok thing is once the reel has dried for a couple days it works as it did originally. Am I the only one experiencing this? I have contacted Hardy and they just send send it in but never gave me an estimate on any costs associated... I just want to know that mine is for sure a lemon and worth spending on shipping/maintenance to get it operating smoothly.
 

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Thanks for your views. I’m thinking for getting one of the new limited edition ones in Racing Green.
 

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Didn't do it for me. It's a great reel but if you hold a Saracione in another hand you would pick that. Cascapedia is too much bling for me and didnt feel special, nor it is that reel that would grow mojo well as their modern Perfects do.
 

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I have had the new 10/11 Cascapedia now for 2 years and so far I am very happy with it. Balances my 15 and 14ft rods very nicely.
I like the new sound and prefer it to the mkIII which I have owned.
Not had any problem with the drag even after dunking the reel in the water and it feels solid and well made. Much cheaper to buy than a Sarcione so maybe not a fair comparison
 

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I agree. Can't speak for the performance but something about the satin-like finish looked cheap to me.
I have a MkII and love that though but still not in comparison to my Saracione

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I agree. Can't speak for the performance but something about the satin-like finish looked cheap to me.
I have a MkII and love that though but still not in comparison to my Saracione

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Didn't do it for me. It's a great reel but if you hold a Saracione in another hand you would pick that. Cascapedia is too much bling for me and didnt feel special, nor it is that reel that would grow mojo well as their modern Perfects do.
I seriously mean zero offense you guys but is a saracione a fair comparison to casaca's? i only asked as respect your guys opinions i don't know much about casacapedia's history. How much did they price for when they first released? i thought currently you can buy two casaca's for the price of the of lowest end saracione in salmon weights.... by the way i agree as well imho saracione is the probably the best CNC spey focused reel in the disc drag category currently.... As for joe's bench (or any decent bench made reels including the some hardy) made stuff its like using a nuke to win a fist fight..Im only joking! i don't know too much about these things, here to learn
 

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Fair comparison? I don't know, you decide. In the photo below its a new Cascapedia 10/11 on the left, Joe's mark v's multiplier on the right.
the beef of the crank handle is double on Joe's; the length and diameter of the knob are much superior in my opinion on the Sara, especially relevant with a good fish and a good fight. Ive had a couple of sea-run browns in the low 20s on the Cascapedia, the drag handled them but only at the top end when wet and the sound, as someone pointed out, is not the same as the old ones, a bit cheap to my ear. The Saracione, on the other hand, when lit up by a good fish will get a deaf man's attention on the opposite bank. I would not ever use the Cascapedia on fresh chinook, too many bent S-handles, but for a cool reel with the Hardy name the new Cascapedias aren't too bad...and even though you can probably buy two Cascapedias for the price of one of Joe's,
the latter are so mechanically superior that I don't think they're in the same league.
 

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One thing I should add in favor of the Cascapedia especially the 10/11 is its a huge reel with a tiny arbor and much better capacity than the Mark v, so it might be very desirable if you fish full lines and need the room on the spool.
 

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I seriously mean zero offense you guys but is a saracione a fair comparison to casaca's? i only asked as respect your guys opinions i don't know much about casacapedia's history. How much did they price for when they first released? i thought currently you can buy two casaca's for the price of the of lowest end saracione in salmon weights.... by the way i agree as well imho saracione is the probably the best CNC spey focused reel in the disc drag category currently.... As for joe's bench (or any decent bench made reels including the some hardy) made stuff its like using a nuke to win a fist fight..Im only joking! i don't know too much about these things, here to learn
No worries. I understand where you are coming from. Maybe not a totally fair comparison given the difference in price. However that said, the Cascapedia are not inexpensive and assuming that these are not short term purchases (they will have to pry my Sara MkV from my cold, dead hands) the price difference in my opinion matters less over time. Also, these are both high end tools designed to compete in the same category for the same purpose so in that case comparison is fair. This is strictly my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...,


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Ive owned the new Cascapedia and sold it right back. Didn't like it. Then last summer working on the Dean, Ive seen two different Cascapedia literally destroyed by hot fish. No thanks. There's no substitutions for something like that. If they were to do an exact replica of the original Cascapedia, the reel would be 2-3K. So something has to give. I guess the loop seems to be better built. But i've never owned one.
 

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2001 Replica of 1932 4-3/16" Hardy Cascapedia 4/0 #119/500

Today's version doesn't compare to the honest replica from 2001. Not even close.
 

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Short, Wimpy Handle

Fair comparison? I don't know, you decide. In the photo below its a new Cascapedia 10/11 on the left, Joe's mark v's multiplier on the right.
the beef of the crank handle is double on Joe's; the length and diameter of the knob are much superior in my opinion on the Sara, especially relevant with a good fish and a good fight. Ive had a couple of sea-run browns in the low 20s on the Cascapedia, the drag handled them but only at the top end when wet and the sound, as someone pointed out, is not the same as the old ones, a bit cheap to my ear. The Saracione, on the other hand, when lit up by a good fish will get a deaf man's attention on the opposite bank. I would not ever use the Cascapedia on fresh chinook, too many bent S-handles, but for a cool reel with the Hardy name the new Cascapedias aren't too bad...and even though you can probably buy two Cascapedias for the price of one of Joe's,
the latter are so mechanically superior that I don't think they're in the same league.
At least the inadequate handle is raised up a bit on the current "Cascapedia." Imagine having that same handle on a Marquis Salmon, mounted flush on the face plate next to the protruding rim, which in effect would make it feel even shorter. Oh, wait, that's exactly what Hardy did.
 

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I own one of the original Cascapedia reels it’s a 4/0 from the late 1920s. The inside of the reel is quite simple there is not much to the drag which is similar to a Von Hofe drag. I have never used it so not sure how good it would be on a hot fish, etc. Anyway just thought I would share some internal pictures of the reel in case anyone was interested. I have never seen or handled first hand the reproduction models which were made in the early 2000 which look real nice, but I heard that the gears were not good. Is there any truth to that as I had heard these had to be returned to Hardy to upgrade the gears.
 

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I think the new Cascapedia is a nice reel. It feels very solid . I have the 10/11 and it takes a good amount of backing and has sufficient weight to balance a 15ft rod which many modern reels do not. It looks good, sounds good and comparisons to reels many hundreds of dollars more expensive are unfair in my opinion. If you are in the market for a saracionie then you are unlikely to be looking at the Hardy whereas if you can’t afford the saracionie then the Hardy May be a good option.
In practical fishing terms I never found the handle size an issue at all and as I wind left handed and cast with my right Hand too long a handle is a pain.
 

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John8 - the story was is that Hardy never thought the reproduction models would be fished so the gears were not very substantial. Apparently they swapped them out free of charge though. If you search under user WillieGunn in the archives here you should find a discussion on this.
 
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