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Nice video. Thanks for posting. Almost makes me want to put a skagit head on my light trout spey rods...:)
 

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yup yup yup. Great video, really captures the essence of this method. Those rivers look soooo perfect for swinging, jealous!. These "micro-speys" work great with scandi taper lines as well, T&G casting (or the various poke casts Mike shows and double-speys) and easily carry most trout-sized bugs. Trout hate swung flies (hate = attack!).
 

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yup yup yup. Great video, really captures the essence of this method. Those rivers look soooo perfect for swinging, jealous!. These "micro-speys" work great with scandi taper lines as well, T&G casting (or the various poke casts Mike shows and double-speys) and easily carry most trout-sized bugs. Trout hate swung flies (hate = attack!).
They also work great with really short Skagit heads and T-11 MOW tips. Mike uses 11' Skagits in the 200-250 range. That gives him enough mass per foot to turn over a large, think Galloup sized, streamer. It also allows him to strip the fly in closer so its fishing for longer. Much better fishing tool than the 17'+ mini skagits available at the moment.
 

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Roger aaron (or is that Aaron Rogers? LOL), didn't mean to imply to not use the ultra-compact heads, those things almost cast themselves, and make it really easy to work around obstructions and through the boulder fields with the various types of pokes one can utilize.
 

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Great video!!
 

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Roger aaron (or is that Aaron Rogers? LOL), didn't mean to imply to not use the ultra-compact heads, those things almost cast themselves, and make it really easy to work around obstructions and through the boulder fields with the various types of pokes one can utilize.
Soft hackling with a light scandi head is a hoot. I get a little frustrated as the really light scandi's can't handle most poly leaders so you're relegated to floating lines and long leaders.
 

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I'm so glad to hear that there are more line options on the way. Yeah, 17' heads get the job done but I've always thought I'm just getting warmed up when the orange is back home at the tip. I usually jerk it on up 10' then set up for the next cast.
 

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They also work great with really short Skagit heads and T-11 MOW tips. Mike uses 11' Skagits in the 200-250 range. That gives him enough mass per foot to turn over a large, think Galloup sized, streamer. It also allows him to strip the fly in closer so its fishing for longer. Much better fishing tool than the 17'+ mini skagits available at the moment.
Do you have the skinny on what Rio has up their sleeve, with the new Trout Skagit heads? Or Sages new ultra light two handers that will be introduced?
 

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A #2 and a #3 Rod. 200 and 225-250 grain rods respectively, so truly trout sized. Skagit heads to match, at 11' long they'll turn over a Medium MOW and as big a fly as you can dream up. Helps solve the trade off of fishing a bigger rod to turn over a bigger fly and ending up over gunned for trout. Or as Mike calls it 'shooting a blacktail with an elephant gun'. Available 8/1. I believe they were at the Sandy Clave.
 

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Trout spey

I must be reading the line chart wrong, or is 200 and 225-250 grain around an old school 8 weight, can't be right.
Cheers Gordon.
 

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it makes sense when you factor in effects of single vs two-hand, overhead vs spey cast.

Correct that 210 grains is nominally for 30' of 8 wt single hand line. However, 210 grains in 30' shooting head format matches a modern 6 wt single hander for overhead casting, and a 5 wt single hander for spey casting. Then there's the usual 2-3 line weight difference between single vs. double-handed rod ratings in the USA. So 8 wt AFFTA = 6 wt single hand shooting head = 3 wt two-hander, or something like that. Often longer rods in these light weights can't help but flex, so despite what AFFTA single hand grains may suggest, they're well suited for trout (at least the Gary Anderson rods that I've tried are).
 

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Well it seems the newer system is no better than the old, i still cast a line rating close to a single handed line rating on my little double hander for trout, just a quick look at a Ambush Skagit line rating and the website says.
TT-6-F @ 18’ 235
Thats a Skagit 6wt line, so is that recommending using a 6wt on a 3wt rod for trout fishing.
Cheers Gordon.
 

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In regards to Skagit lines, keep an eye on what OPST has coming. Trout weight lines coming very soon! I've fished their 6/7/8 wt lines for the last month. Sweet stuff. Seems rio is on the right track. But they're just getting started in the party. Everyone else is flat out late! 2-2.5x rod length. That's the head plus tip/leader to fly length. Up till now everyone has offered heads too long. In regards to grain weight, head plus tip weight should fit in the grain window for a particular rod, give or take a few. Y'all are probably familiar with their Lazer Line. This is all the work of Ed Ward and Jerry French. "The Skagit Masters."
 

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Nice video.
Am interested in learning more about these new lines.
This is all sounding very interesting:smokin:
 

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As noiseboy noted, keep an eye out for OPST heads when released, these guys know their stuff and aren't just following the norm, will revolutionise skagit casting as we know it, this will be the real deal.
 
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