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I know that there have been some issues with this rod but I managed to get one for a ridiculous price. (Less than $65 shipped.) I had a look through the archives and I don't see a line recommendation for this rod. I tried the RIO site and there is no listing for the Loop Adventure rods. Does anyone have a line recommendation for this rod?

I have a SA XLT 8/9, but I assume that it is too light. I may have to see if someone wants to trade for a heavier line that will fit this rod. Or I may see if someone wants to trade the rod and line for an 8 or 9wt single handed rod. (Which is what I should have gotten in the first place.)
 

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Yo Geoff...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the rod you've gotten, especially in light of the price. I probably have some line info around here but I would think a 9/10 Delta or it's equivalent would work well on that rod. Before I threw it all overboard I would try it with the 8/9 XLT.

All that being said I'll trade you a 9'-7/8-2 rod built on a J K Fisher blank for your rod and line. The JKF rod was custom built by "Matt Spring Creek" of MI. It has Fugi strippers and Fugi single foots the rest of the way, cigar grip, and a removable fighting butt. I might even be prevailed upon to throw in a WF8F.
 

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Remeber the XLTs are heavier than thier given line rating. An 8/9 is more of a 9/10 in conventional terms. That line will probably match up just right on that rod. I heard these were good rods but prone to breaking. Doubt you could get it fixed if that happens as they have not been made for awhile.

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and casting an entire XLT is the perfect way to blow up a rod, but I suspect that's years or more down the road
 

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MJC said:
Before I threw it all overboard I would try it with the 8/9 XLT.
I think I will.

sean said:
An 8/9 is more of a 9/10 in conventional terms. That line will probably match up just right on that rod.
That's just what I was hoping to hear.

sean said:
I heard these were good rods but prone to breaking. Doubt you could get it fixed if that happens as they have not been made for awhile.
I heard this too. But for the price I paid, I'm willing to take the risk.

SSPey said:
and casting an entire XLT is the perfect way to blow up a rod, but I suspect that's years or more down the road
The only way I'm likely to cast an entire XLT is to stand on the edge of a cliff and cast the whole line, spool and all, over the side. :D
 

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Yo Geoff...

Forget casting the whole head on that XLT. If you can cast 60' or so you should be set for now. Just consider the rest of it backing.
 

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Forget casting the whole head on that XLT. If you can cast 60' or so you should be set for now. Just consider the rest of it backing.
You are thinking like a fisherman. I'm just going to play with this rod. I probably won't fish it at all. I'm going to work on my Spey casting technique with it.

60' is easy. I can almost throw that without the rod. Its a 100' that's a challenge. (For me at least.)

The TFO rod you sold me is becoming my fishing tool of choice. It seems to work better than anything else. I tied some wolly buggers on aluminum and brass tubes to get down in a nearby lake for bass. I can throw those flies 60-80' with a goofy side/underhand cast from under low hanging branches on the bank; which makes me pretty happy. With the shooting head it will also throw a sopping wet bass bug 80 or 90' with a single overhead backcast which is farther than I'm able to set the hook when a fish hits it.

(Of course those distances are when I pull off a good cast. :rolleyes: )
 

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Well, I can see why Loop pulled these rods off the market. Mine lasted 3 casts before snapping. I only had 40 or 50' of line out. The rod was brand new. Still had the plastic on the handle. These rods never should have made it onto the market. I should have listened to other posts about how these rods are prone to breaking and not gotten it. :(
 

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sorry to laugh at your misfirtune, but that is too funny.

Vinnie
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The thing is, I know better and went for it anyways.

To be honest, I deserve it for being cheap, but on the other hand, Loop should have taken these rods out back and tossed them into the dumpster, rather than selling them. There are going to be a LOT of disappointed folks, including myself, who have to question the quality of Loop equipment if they can let these rods out to the public even at huge discounts.
 

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In case anyone is curious, I tried to see if I could get my rod repaired under warranty. At first I was told that the rod probably wasn't a Loop since it wasn't in their current line. I offered to mail the rod so they could see for themselves. They then offered to sell me a Black line rod at a good price. :( So no warranty on that rod. I'll just gut the rod for parts and stake tomatoes with the blank. No more Loop rods for me...
 
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I have a couple of questions for you. First, who is the "they" you refer to in your post? Second, why is offering you an upgrade to a newer rod at a great price a bad thing? That's what almost all companies do when the model that breaks is no longer available. And it is almost never done for free. I have no idea what the reputation is for those Adventurer rods, but I do know that the same blank is now used in one of the Redington double-handed rods. For a company that has never fallen into the unconditional warranty trap that so many others have, I think they (whoever it was) treated you quite well. I'm sure that was partly to do with the fact "they" felt that the breakage was probably a bad blank and not your fault. But did you really want it replaced for free with an identical model?
 

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Geoff,

In your original post you said

"I know that there have been some issues with this rod..."

and I wish I would have seen your original post as I would have steered you away from them. I had a similar experience with one a few years ago when a friend got one at a bargain basement price. A few casts with a Delta Spey and pop! I have no idea how these rods did with shooting heads, but certainly modern speylines drastically reduced their lifespan.

LOOP hasn't made those rods for years. Where did you buy it? It sounds like someone had some very old stock that they were kicking out the door. And I would also like to hear whom you spoke to regarding warrantee issues. If you bought it from a shop they should try and help you solve the problem.

I have no idea if those rods ever had a warrantee, but condemming LOOP rods because you bought a long discontinued product at a bargain basement price and now can't get it fixed seems unfair to me, especially since you knew going in that there were some problems with them. And as JR SPEY notes, being offered a deal on a new rod that does have a warrantee seems very reasonable.

I would like to hear the details of your experience. Please email me at [email protected].
 

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They then offered to sell me a Black line rod at a good price. ........ No more Loop rods for me...
The Black 14 9/10 sounds like it would be a good replacement for you. Some of your fellow Board members in the Midwest wouldn't mind the 12'4" 8/9. :roll:

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I should answer a few questions. First off, I got the rod off eBay. It was in new condition, and still had the plastic on the grip. I was really impressed by the fit and finish of the rod, and figured I'd gotten a steal. Even with shipping, the rod was less than $65.

You might say, "Geoff, you bought a discontinued rod off eBay for next to nothing. What do you expect." Well, at first I didn't expect anything. But thinking a bit more, if a company dumps a faulty piece of equipment through discounters, there is going to be repercussions. In this case a lot of folks will buy a cheap rod thinking they've gotten a deal and end up disappointed. Like I said in a previous post, Loop should NEVER have allowed these rods out of the factory. At least not with their name on them.

I sent mail to Loop's US distributor. When I didn't hear from him for a week, I tried Loop directly. They said to contact the Loop distributor. Eventually the Loop distributor got back to me. (10 days?)

In any case, I bought the rod as an experiment to see how a heavier rod would compare to my 12'6" 6wt TFO. (The TFO threw the line that snapped the Loop without any issues other than being too heavy.)

Honestly, I REALLY didn't expect the rod to be under warranty. In fact I would have been surprised if they did warranty it. Seeing how happy MANY other folks are with Loop rods I have to believe that they are a quality product. I guess I'm more upset that Loop tried to cover up their mistake by discounting the rods rather than recalling them.

The reel and line I got for the Loop are going up on eBay, and I'll go back to using my TFO. There isn't any water around here suitable for fishing a 9/10 rod, so I'm not really interested in replacing the Loop. The TFO is more than adequate.
 

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Geoff,

Without trying to start an argument, how do you know that the rod ended on eBay because Loop discontinued the rod as opposed to being placed there by a retailer, a third party, someone who buys distressed inventory from retailers, etc., in sort by someone outside of Loops's ability to recall the rod? Was there something about the eBay seller which suggested that the rod came out of Loop's inventory?

Again, not trying to second guess you or start an argument, just curious.

David

P.S. - given your last post, I think that LOOP was very generous in how they responded to your problem, a litle tardy maybe, but generous and professional.
 

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Was there something about the eBay seller which suggested that the rod came out of Loop's inventory?
Nope. But considering how hard it is to get Loop equipment I am assuming that Loop only deals with the MOST reputable of distributors and retailers. This means that any rods in the sales channel are there because Loop allowed it.

On the other hand, perhaps BECAUSE of Loop's experience with the Adventure rods they are being overly careful about which distributors and reatilers they allow to carry their equipment. Which is why it is hard to get the latest equipment. Perhaps they got royally shafted on the distribution of the Adventure rods?

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P.S. - given your last post, I think that LOOP was very generous in how they responded to your problem, a litle tardy maybe, but generous and professional.
In my case I agree. In the more general case I bet their are a lot of folks who have bought these discounted rods and now think Loop equipment is junk. I just thought I'd bring the issue into the open.
 

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Geoff,

Unless there was something about the eBay seller, I would not implicate Loop in the rod being offered on eBay. There are so many plausible alternative reasons for the rod to end up there.

FWIW - given the price that you paid, I would have purchased it as well. And, given your explanation I would have thanked Loop but not taken them up on their Black rod offer.

Best,
David

P.S. - I have purchased 2 rods on eBay and will no longer do so unless the rod is out of production. One of the rods purchased on eBay was damaged (loaned to a friend) and T&T repaired the rod for the shipping and handling charge even though I disclosed that I purchased the rod on eBay. I think that it helped that I owned several T&T rods purchased through normal retail channels. They earned a long term customer with their great customer service. I hope that their recent acquisition builds on their heritage and does not diminish it.
 

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guys,

I can guarantee that LOOP's current distributor had nothing to do with placing an Adventure rod on ebay. Adventure rods have not been in the warehouse since the time I have been involved with LOOP.

LOOP is distributed in North America by Fly Angler Distributing out of Vancouver BC. Prior to taking over North America this past spring, Fly Angler has been distributing LOOP in Canada for the past 3 or 4 years. I have not seen an Adventure rod in the warehouse at all during this time. Any Adventure rods appearing on ebay or anywhere else and originating in the US are coming from someone other than Fly Angler Distributing. Apart form the lag time in the response to your email, I think offering you a good deal on a replacement rod is pretty fair, considering Fly Angler has never distributed nor had anything to do with any of the Adventure rods.

While I would not recommend anyone purchase one of these rods, to be fair LOOP built these rods with 30ft - 35ft shooting heads in mind, not the kind of lines most NA casters like to use, Windcutters and so on. The Adventure rods might have been fine with shooting heads, but certainly not with the heavier lines. All the stories of breakage I've heard with these rods involve lines other than shooting heads.

These days LOOP, while still using shooting heads in the design of their rods, has folks like me and Eoin Fairgrieve around--guys who can and do cast all sorts of lines on the rods. LOOP's modern progressive action rods in the Color Concept series work very well with all sorts of line styles. I cast everything from LOOP Adapted shooting heads to the longest, heaviest XLT and GrandSpey lines with my rods.
 

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Not a bad rod

Despite the concerns expressed here, I bought one of these rods about three years ago when Loop first changed to the current color system and dumped a bunch of them on the market. They were really cheap compared to other spey rods.

I learned to cast two-handed with it and caught my first spey steelhead with it. It did not break or disappoint.

I sold it when I bought a CND Skagit Specialist because I had a friend that needed a cheap start in spey. I often wish I had kept it. However, my friend is still enjoying it and casts it with Scandi style shooting heads.

It cast well with both a Delta Spey Multitip 8/9/10 and a Windcutter 8/9/10. The CND is a better rod, but it cost a lot more than the $100 I paid for the loop.

BC
 
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