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OK well im in the process of picking out a LONG belly line rod. I casted a few so far (gloomis 16' 9/10, Sage 9150, and T and T 15' 10) my goal is to get a rod that is a good all around BIG water rod in the 15-17 foot range. I seem to like a faster rod but not too quick. Id like to fish either a 95' jet stream or a 85' jet stream and some sort of a tip line that casts well. I also what a rod that can cast a scandi or skagit line when the wind gets a blowin. I know a lot of you all will have different opinions on your favorites but I would love to hear them, so I can better understand what I really want.
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is the rest of the equation? What weight line? What size fish? I really like the Meiser 16 foot Highlander. Mine is 7/8/9, but it has a bigger brother.
 

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I don't think you could do better than the Meiser 15' 7/8/9 Highlander. It is very versatile and user friendly. I used a demo Highlander from Mike at Redshed in your area before I bought one.
 

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I fish the snake and the clearwater. I'll also fish the Thompson and some of the skeena with this rod. So im looking for either a 9 or ten weight. Something for fish up to 30 pounds.
 

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Meiser 15789-5

will handle fish to 30 pounds. The 16' 7/8/9 is even more. I use both on the Clearwater and Snake. Red Shed also has a used Thompson Specialist you might want to test cast.
 

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I use my Loomis 16ft and Loomis 17ft on both the Clearwater and Thompson and NEVER feel undergunned. If you know him, just ask Tracey.:saevilw:
 

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In my opinion, there is no need for anything beyond an 8 weight for the Snake. The Clearwater B-runs might require a bit more but really, you can land them fine on an 8 or a 9. The Skeena system is a bit of a toss-up. On some rivers (Bulkley) an 8 is all that is needed and on others a 9 or 10 is sometimes called for. And the T is well, the T.

All in all, I would say that the length of the rod is more relevant. If you are planning on bombing out casts with a long belly line then by all means go 15', 16' or more. Just be aware that once you get over 15', you don't need the extra length on many of the rivers you mention. While a really long rod is fine on the Snake, Skeena proper and Thompson, it is not needed on the Kispiox, Morice and Bulkley. On many of these rivers, you may want to fish a floating line and a surface fly. Yes you can do it with a long rod but I personally find it a pain in the *** to do so. This was brought back to me last week fishing a riffle hitched muddler with a 16' rod. It is work.

So with all that out of the way, there are many good choices out there. The Meiser's and CND Thompson are rods I have cast and would agree are good choices. Following are the rods I have owned and would recommend for the rivers you mention.

Snake: CND 15'2" Solstice, Sage 8150, T&T 1307-3
Clearwater: Sage 8150, T&T 1509, CND 15'2" Solstice
Skeena: T&T 1510-5, CND Salar, CND 16'1" Solstice
Bulkley/Morice: CND 14'3" Solstice, T&T 1307-3
Kispiox: T&T 1308-4, 1510-5
Thompson: CND 16'1", T&T 1510-5
 

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I would also cast the meiser rods. A call to Mike at the Red Shed or to Bob will get one on its way for you to try. I would try before buy everytime. Like Verne I bought the 15' 7/8/9 and feel it is one of the finest rods made. 100 ft + with an XLT 7/8 is effortless. Two friends of mine fish the Loomis 16' 9/10 and like them. For me they are tiring ( but then I am old )

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the Loomis, Meiser, and Scott 16' rods cast many of the same lines in my hands, with slight differences in feel. The Scott has the softest top half, very progressive taper to strong butt. The Loomis feels fastest to me across the entire blank. The Meiser is just a touch softer down deep and communicates well to the caster. I'd call them all 9/10 wts. The CND Solstice 16' seems less powerful than the others, less of a meat stick, in keeping with its 8/9 rating.
 

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T&t 1510-5

Sinktip,

I just purchased the T&T 1510-5. I'm curious as to what line I need to string it with in order to fish larger rivers like the Thompson. I've been messing with a Grand Spey 10/11 and I have been having a dickens of a time getting it to lay out in a tight loop, maybe it's just to many years fishing with a Mid Spey. Tips are especially difficult to cast, maybe I need to try poly tips instead? What's your recommendation?

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Henry,

I've owned the T&T 1510-3 (it is still one of my favorite rods despite my having sold it last year due to using my 16' rods more) and it was grossly overloaded with the GS 10/11. Keep in mind that T&T doesn't rate their rods with the nearly universal 8/9. 9/10, etc. spey line designation that most rod makers use. Instead, T&T uses a single number and that number would correspond the higher number of the two-number system most other rod makers are using.

In other words, the T&T 1510-5 is equivalent to other rod makers 15' 9/10 rods. This is why the 10/11 GS grossly overloads it. This is why you are having a lot of trouble with the combination. It is simply due to having the rod so overloaded that it can't perform optimally because it is being forced to cast more weight that it was designed to cast. Remember the 10/11 GS weighs 1100 grs and you are trying to cast this on a rod that was designed to cast a maximum of about 950 grs. This means that the GS 9/10 (900 grs.)or my favorite on the rod the 8/9 GS (800 grs.) are the way to go. Once you switch to one of the lighter GS's, you will be amazed at how well your 1510 will cast it.

Speykid,

Like you, I like faster, stiffer rods. I own a T&T 1611 (a very powerful rod for big flies, I like the GS 9/10 on it), the Meiser Highlander 7/8/9 (actually it is really an 8/9/10 with the butt softened 5% by Meiser to better fit my likes in stiff-tip, faster rods with power in the middle and butt, I like the GS 8/9 on it), and a very powerful 18' 12 wt tournament rod I was given (I like to use the 10/11 GS on it, and yes, I fish it in winter). I also very much like the Meiser Highlander 16' 9/10/11 (or is it a 10/11/12 I cast Meiz) and the big Carron 17'11" rods.

I have owned the T&T 1510-3 (I still miss it at times), and I have cast the T&T 1511 (a slightly shorter brother to my 1611), Scott LS2 1610 (a wonderful rod for those who like a moderately fast rod with a good strong tip and powerful butt), all of the G. Loomis Greased Line 15', 16', and 17' rods, a Loop 16' Grey Series 10/11, Carron 17'11" (I really liked this one) and 15' 10/11, the CND Salar, Thompson Specialist, Solstice 15'2" and Solstice 16'1", along with most of the Meiser Highlanders of 15' and up.

All of these rods cast very well; but there are big differences in how they feel, their stiffness, tip strength, rod flex, how they distribute the load along the blank, etc. You really need to cast some of them or give us more info by telling us specific rods you own or have cast that you really like.

But as Sinktip has mentioned, you really don't need a long rod to fish most rivers. That said, I use my 16' 8/9Highlander for summer steelhead on a very famous Washington State "S" river where 13' rods are most common and where an 80' would put you well up in the willows in most runs.
 

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T&t 1510-5

Russ,

Thanks for the input.

I was using Rio's specs when I picked a line for the T&T 1510-5, choosing the "B" side. It's been my experience that alot of the rods I own need a line size larger to get them to load to my satisfaction. Unfortunately I didn't have another long belly line with me to try on the rod other than the GS 10/11 with tips, which I had bought before heading to the Salmon last week. I had a Mid Spey 9/10 with me, but didn't string it, figuring it would not load the rod properly.

Are you fishing the GS 9/10 with Tips, or just the floating head? Anyway, I'm curious what other manufactured lines and sizes work for this rod, and if I fish it on the "T" do I need to use tips.

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Henry
 

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Henry,

The two best lines I have found on the 1510-5 are the 75' 11/12 Carron Jetstream and the 9/10 CND GPS. The latter is possibly a tad light and I've been wanting to try the 10/11 GPS on it but as yet have not. I would agree with Russ that the 10/11 GS is too much.

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The T&T 1510-5 is my favorite BIG rod. For me the 9/10 MidSpey is the perfect match.
 

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Clan

It is hard to beat the Traditonal 17' 7/8 or 9/10. The slow powerful stick is a delight to cast and an awesome fish fighting tool. The 7/8 landed a 45# Salmon in Norway last year so I think we can say it will handle Steelhead well. I find that with the 17s even a 14" trout is good but 20# Steel is evn better.

If you want a little more progressive action there are 15, 16, and 18 foot models which toss those Carron 95s very well. I prefer the NextCast line on mine.
 

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Hey Jack,
You are spot on, the Clan rods with the nextcast lines were great, fishing the big river the last couple of days after the Clan Gathering and the lines mached the rods perfect.
Was havin so much fun with Scott and the guys fishing i have'nt had the chance to bring the rods back down, but will do so this weekend, everybody has loved the set up with the lines and rods, just perfect.
Going fishing again for the next day or two, then will head down at the weekend to take the rods back.
Cheers Gordon.
 

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Henry,

I fish the GS lines with floating tips and sinktip up to sections of Deep Water Express (just remember to keep the Deep Water Express tips short enough to stay in the grain window of the rod if you make some). The GS is my favorite long-belly for use with sinktips because it turns them over with authority. I think it was Kush who said last year that the GS lines could turn over logging chain. Maybe not logging chain; but any sinktip you may want to use matched to the line and rod's grain window is child's play for a GS line.
 

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Sage

I was hoping someone has some info on the longer sage rods in particular the TCR spey's and the Z axis speys in the 14'-16' range.
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