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After a whole season of field testing overhand lines I finally got out an tried the Atlantis 1111 with spey lines...

It's actually a very FINE spey casting tool! What a relief :D

For those who are just tuning in, it's a two-handed overhand rod designed only for coastal overhand casting applications (like Bob Meiser's rods, T&T 12x12, etc). To be honest I had not explored it's spey casting capabilities because I was heavily involved in the striped bass action where this rod has certain advantages in big water or big rips (not to mention big fish) throwing overhand with shooting heads and short tarpon tapers which are shooting heads permamently joined to running lines in essence.

First and foremost the Hardy Mach I 9/10 was a dream to cast on it. Right side, left side, snake, snap, single - didn't matter. I had to tear myself away from the icy river bank to try other lines.

Glad I did. The Windcutter 7/8/9 with tips - no problem, punched it out there with plenty of shoot and very tight loops from this taper. Could fish my side of any river with the setup. OK not the Thompson.

Long belly speys (85' plus)... didn't fare so well unless I was able to hit a very flat very long d-loop in a small vertically challenged space. I think I did that successfully twice. Due to the longer head I had to wade out deeper in high water with cut banks to clear the branches, making the 11' wonder feel very short all of a sudden with the 85' head on.

So I waded back out to my shins and put the Rio Scandihoovian tricolor 8/9 uncut on and yeehah! What a nice way to fish a sinking line, with about 2 feet of the uncut back section in the guides and the underhand as Dana describes it the line would just lay out like you read about albeit I was not exceeding 80-90 feet against a strong upriver wind with icebergs in every guide but the tip top. It was the ease of it that impressed me about this line. It might be worth cutting back a little to get the overhanger banger cast, unless the weight of the big back belly made for a pendulum effect with the top of the rod... will experiment more later.

*strange phenomenon - the titanium tip guide sheds ice radically better than the other guides

Anyway, this is far from saying the coastal two-hander is a great spey rod but I am relieved to say that it is a really fine spey casting device afterall!

Summary:

Pluses:

Very light, very tight loops come off the strong blank and tip. Allows for less room behind and quick abrupt motion. Very gutsy rod will control feisty fish better due to leverage of short rod and fairly stout design.

Takes less room to cast than longer rods do. I was surprised how much less I had to think about it on a river that was to the roots of trees and deep with the first step. Most of the banks were frozen so I had little chance to spread out. This had a lot to do with the lines as well.

Primarily an overhand rod, so it does that job very well although IMHO the lines that spey cast well are not the best lines to overhand cast. The exception to this is the Skagit line which does both very well. A spare spool or a looped running line would open up the options as well.

Feels really good to spey cast. Admittedly undefined and subjective, your results may vary but I walked away thinking "man, that felt good". Could just be cabin fever.

More leverage in fighting fish due to shorter fulcrum and comparatively stout blank. I was thinking today "my kingdom for a chum".

Minuses:

Very short, has all the same nuances as every short two-hander... feels like there is less rod or something. ;) Lifting, setting a big d-loop and throwing extended belly lines is much easier with a longer rod than this.

Wading deep really brings out the advantage in the long rods we typically use, which this certainly is not.

Another reality check is the use of lines with longer spey heads and extended belly lines.

Didn't have the flex profile that the Skagit Specialist does thus I could not skagit cast as well with this rod as I can with the Skagit. To make up for it I threw an overhand cast to get even with myself.

Conclusion:

This is not a great spey casting rod in a general sense - but it sure is FINE one for casting short spey lines and has no problem throwing tips and battling feisty finned creatures.

This would come in handy in situations where both overhand casting and spey casting with shorter spey heads is the venue (Hardy Mach I, Windcutter, Skagit lines, Rio Scandinavian, etc).

Without having tried them myself I assume this rod in not quite the spey casting tool that some of the other double-duty rods in the market today, but I'll bet cold hard cash it's a better beach rod.

I now have to rethink the lines I want to use in rips for striped bass on the coast next season! Maybe a Skagit line configuration with a clear intermediate belly and exchangeable high-density sinking and clear intermediate tips for moving water on a sky blue colored shooting line...

Striper intruders... hmmmm..... :devil:
 

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Juromeister,

You're a stud.

It was like 19 and 1/2 freakin' degrees out there today with a razor wind to boot....and you're out casting.

I thought about casting, but decided to try on my new Austin Powers outfit, instead.

You're groovy, baby!

TB
 

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Thanks for the acknowledgement Topher,

Definitely was cold out there! Despite the glee of the discovery facial expressions were out of the question. The best spot to stand in the water was under a bridge where there was no shore ice. Unfortunately the upriver wind was amplified under there and there was a point where I thought I might be chilled to delirium.

I think it was when a pack of bundled up teens looked down at me and laughed their bratty little asses off at me. Not to worry, I can take all that in stride nowadays - having not tried the rods with spey lines over all those months was much more embarassing than anything the kids could muster. Besides they stopped suddenly when I was able to make a particularly good cast and continued on their way. Warmed me right up. Or wait maybe I really was chilled to delirium and it was all a daydream...

In any case in order to shoot any line I had to keep the rod submerged during the swing to melt off the ice in the guides. At the hang down I would pop the rod up to the lift, come back with a d-loop and hope the icebergs would fly apart.

I stopped at the yocal convenience store and they happened to have a fresh pot of homemade chili on. The new "spey" rod rode shotgun as I drove homeward steering with my knee, slurping hot chili and really glad I found out.

I'll bet when I tell Nobuo he'll say "you didn't know that?" :)
 
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