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Matt Arciaga
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So I have been asked several times what the gut sub is that I use. I want to share it with everyone since it is the spirit of betterment to anyone who wants to use it.

This is Coats & Clark Extra Strong & Upholstery Thread 150 Yds. Natural color



I started by soaking it and twisting it and trying to make it look like the old stuff, but it was so inconsistent, and time consuming, i had some success and the strength was great. I have recently started just 3 strand overhand braiding it and the strength is amazing. I recently did a dead wt strength test and it held 30# for around 30 minutes till i discontinued the test to examine the results. keep in mind, I would be prudent in performing your own tests to determine what will hold at least that wt, as to its 3 strand ultimate strength? im not sure but ive read from coats documentation that it could be up to 15# for 1 strand making it approx 45# strength, so in a loop to loop connection DAMN! :whoa: :smokin:

You may ask yourself, why wouldnt I just use dacron? my answer to that is BULK! As some of you might know about me i like my flies like a super model, skinny frame, big and bodacious up top, so for me it was a no brainer.

anyway, use it for your benefit in you`re tying and save your 1$ an inch you can by 150 yds for 5$...
 

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Very cool , now I have a second choice :)
I am a big fan of Dacron . I use Cortland Micron backing in #30 . Not too bulky as log as you work it by flattening it out with your thumbnail before you tie it in . I make a loop and then pinch it at the base and use my thumbnail on the opposite hand to flatten the tag ends . Works okay for me , thin enough for my tastes anyway .

I like the idea of the twist look though . Maybe one day I'll give it a try :)
You buy this stuff at the sewing shop ??


Mike
 

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Matt Arciaga
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Order it online or go to Joanns, or any craft store they should have it. the natural is all ive been using lately, and you can stain it with a soak in some hot english tea
 

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Ive not used it for tying but I use it as stitching in some leatherwork and it is indeed strong. If you are twisting 3 strands of this already 3 strand thread to try to mimic gut then I really dont see anyway itll break. You can probably stiffen it up, and stain it to boot, with some homemade grease, though I guess trial and error to get it proper would be in order. Maybe try beeswax, Paraffin, and vegetable (I use a similar mixture, though with a fair bit of vegetable which you probably wouldnt want, for leather grease).

Just a thought.
 

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Oh yeah, and Walmart sells Coats and Clark thread. C&C thread, ammo, and fishing/hunting license sales while travelling are the top three reasons to stop in a Walmart, but maybe not in that order.
 

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I was curious if you know about blind splice?the reason
I ask is a splice can be implemented using dacron then
Slide on a blind eye iron,
Ie..blind eye loop.as a shelve so to speak...
If you are concerned about bulk i would think there
would be none..
 

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Matt Arciaga
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I was curious if you know about blind splice?the reason
I ask is a splice can be implemented using dacron then
Slide on a blind eye iron,
Ie..blind eye loop.as a shelve so to speak...
If you are concerned about bulk i would think there
would be none..
interested, hmm never even thought of that, i wonder if any time saving would be accomplished, takes about 5 minutes to braid my own and tie it in with the nylon, but i will look into what you are talking about, good one!
 

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Matt Arciaga
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here is the 30# dead wt, and yes its off the floor, lol, the aj 2091 iron was flexing way hard on this one!
 

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