[MOTOMIKE]

Anyone familiar with this guys action?what sets up the d loop position in his cast?im curious what the first move is before he goes into the dloop and firing position,,,I've looked at what little video there is of him and can't figure it,thanks mike

 

[Rick J]

take a look at this great video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO97EE6Ldi8

 

[MOTOMIKE]

Thanks rick,I have looked at that video many times,it only shows his setup move for a split second,not really thorough in the cast from start to finish

 

[JDJones]

The under hand cast

If memory serves correctly, I believe credit for the "under hand" cast goes to Goran Andersen. (sp) At the time, we (Americans) were all wondering what was meant by the term under hand. Actually, just another way of saying lower or bottom hand.

 

[sixheads]

Goran Andersson

Thanks rick,I have looked at that video many times,it only shows his setup move for a split second,not really thorough in the cast from start to finish

Mike, there are hours worth of Goran casting on YouTube, including on the Big D.

Enjoy,
sixheads

 

[SpeySpaz]

Mike,
Mr. Andersson adopted his casting style because of shoulder pain. One good way to train against his style, which I refer to as 'pure' underhanding, is to duct tape your top hand elbow to your side, use a relaxed three-fingered ring grip on the upper hand, and use the bottom hand to 'stir the pot'.

Once you get it, it almost feels like cocking a Winchester 1894 with your bottom hand, and produces effortless, dartlike loops. Really fun.

edit:
what might be tough to catch on the video, as far as d-loop formation, is that this technique uses the bottom hand's motion to move the rod in such a way that the d-loop is formed and the anchor set. Henrik Mortensen's video's provide a near analogue, but Henrik's style is a little more loose, closer to modern scandi, but I've seen Goran also toss in some top hand arm, and even a little shoulder now and then.
Scandi casting becomes very individuated, very unique to each person who does it and what outfits they prefer, and the lines blur pretty fast under close examination.

 

[MOTOMIKE]

I can only find 3 vids on youtube none of which show the complete motion

 

[sixheads]

There are at least 25 or so vid's of Goran on YouTube, did you try punching his name into the YouTube search engine ?

 

[SpeySpaz]

View attachment P1082034.AVI
Hope this vid clip works. It's a few years old.

It's a pretty big scandi outfit with a 650 gr head, hope that slows it down to see better. Despite this being a sloppy cast, you can see top hand moving on the lift and beginning of the sweep, then the bottom hand does pretty much the rest of it.
This is a 10/11 outfit, on the smaller rods my top hand barely has to even move on the lift, the bottom hand does almost all the rod movement.

 

[MOTOMIKE]

I have of course checked you tube with his name,I see one with him in the spot on the big d with Leland's,a seminar where he is mic'd up, and a 4 minute one of him giving a tutorial,that's it.am I missing something maybe under a different wording

 

[MOTOMIKE]

Thanks spaz

Mike,
Mr. Andersson adopted his casting style because of shoulder pain. One good way to train against his style, which I refer to as 'pure' underhanding, is to duct tape your top hand elbow to your side, use a relaxed three-fingered ring grip on the upper hand, and use the bottom hand to 'stir the pot'.

Once you get it, it almost feels like cocking a Winchester 1894 with your bottom hand, and produces effortless, dartlike loops. Really fun.

edit:
what might be tough to catch on the video, as far as d-loop formation, is that this technique uses the bottom hand's motion to move the rod in such a way that the d-loop is formed and the anchor set. Henrik Mortensen's video's provide a near analogue, but Henrik's style is a little more loose, closer to modern scandi, but I've seen Goran also toss in some top hand arm, and even a little shoulder now and then.
Scandi casting becomes very individuated, very unique to each person who does it and what outfits they prefer, and the lines blur pretty fast under close examination.

Thanks for the insight spaz,it is really hard to catch nuances of ones casting stroke on video,I certainly pick up more visually than by reading about it.does his anchor stroke go left like a double Spey,then sweep to the right and form a d loop?his motion sure seems to be economical.i don't know exactly how far he can get it out there but I'm sure it's decent,he makes it look effortless ,and ps,,I own an 1894 in 32 caliber with a serial number well under a million which is pretty cool

 

[MOTOMIKE]

iPad wouldn't let me look at your vid spaz,damn

 

[shotgunner]

In my opinion the best footage of Goran Andersson is on "The Art of Speycasting" a DVD several years old that was put together at The Golden Gate casting club. There is an article summarizing it by Dana Sturn here: http://www.speypages.com/artofspeycasting.html

There's an interview with Goran by Lani Waller followed with Goran's casting demonstration. Being a long time fan of Mr. Andersson I really enjoyed both. A man seemingly of few words he definitely shares some here.

Another underhand caster I admire is Leif Stavmo (the man behind Guideline tackle and six time world casting champion) His demonstrations on RIO's second instructional DVD "International Spey Casting" are well worth seeing.

There used to be a small archive of casting clips here on the forum. At least two with Goran. Not sure what ever happened to those.

 

[glcaddis]

I found 25+ videos

I got into YouTube first and then used its search function typing in "Goran Andersson" and they popped up. I not you are using an iPad, not sure if that is part of the problem or not. I'm using a MacBook Pro and it works fine.

From my perspective, he forms his D-loop by rotating his lower hand to push the rod tip around and back.

 

[Heero]

It just looks as though he throws single speys to me?

 

[MOTOMIKE]

Heero,yes on river left,,then river right looks like a modified double Spey of some sort

 

[buff]

I will give it a try...

Anyone familiar with this guys action?what sets up the d loop position in his cast?im curious what the first move is before he goes into the dloop and firing position,,,I've looked at what little video there is of him and can't figure it,thanks mike

After a number of years I think I have figured it out enough to explain what Andersson is doing. Andersson calls it the Underhand Technique. It is his style of casting that is underhand...with the limited movement of the upper hand, the “stirring of the pot” with the lower hand, and the pivoting body movement that helps set the d-loop. So if you were right-handed and facing down stream with your line on the dangle, rod tip at the surface, your first move is lifting the rod with a wee “knock” to the left to break the line free from the surface. The rod is raised as the bottom hand stirs and the angler rotates his body (and the rod) to his right. The d-loop forms behind and to the right, and then the rod is “stirred” forward, almost all bottom hand, the top hand scarcely moving, and the rod butt is pulled sharpish into the left hip area, resulting in a brief high stop, then the rod tip is dropped to follow the line down to the surface. So if you ignore the style for a moment, you would say that Goran has made a single Spey cast. He makes a point of saying that you can do different types of casts using the underhand style. He demonstrates briefly an overhead cast with an underhand set-up in his short video, right where he says that he seldom uses an overhead cast. He uses the underhand style to do a short single spey cast that loads the rod for an overhead cast finish. My home river is a small one, and has long gravel beaches with lots of back cast room. I find myself using Andersson’s style most often because it feels natural to me, almost effortless, and unlikely to ever cause me an injury. I am of an age similar to Andersson, (old), and I have old heavy gear that would hurt me if it could. I use the underhand set-up for overhead casting when I have the room behind me because it suits me and my old stuff and I am very accurate with my casting. It’s like trout fishing but with a 13’ bamboo stick. Dana Sturm mentions the injury bit on “Modern Spey Casting”, when he is explaining the underhand style and the double hauling on a 10 wt single hand rod that caused him such pain that he dropped his Spey rod in the river doing conventional style casting. Does that help at all? Cheers, Buff.

 

[slack]

Goran Andersson

This may be what your looking for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnc40QQKiVo slack

 

[ajransom]

Sooooo, is there a difference between an underhand cast and the single spey?

 

[buff]

Yes...

Sooooo, is there a difference between an underhand cast and the single spey?

There is a difference between a Single Spey done in the underhand style and a conventional Single Spey. For example, the top hand in the underhand style is used as a fulcrum, loose grip, while "stirring the pot" with the lower hand. In conventional casting, most of the power in the forward stroke is from the top hand. Little arm movement in underhand, elbow bent, forearm relatively tight to the body. Conventional has lots of movement of the upper hand, tight grip, powerful extension of the forearm in the forward cast. Hywel Morgan has a short video clip in which he compares "Underhand" to "Spey". He explains the difference between the rods best suited for each style, and then discusses and demonstrates the different arm movements for an Underhand Double Spey and a conventional Double Spey. Crystal clear.