Thanks for the insight spaz,it is really hard to catch nuances of ones casting stroke on video,I certainly pick up more visually than by reading about it.does his anchor stroke go left like a double Spey,then sweep to the right and form a d loop?his motion sure seems to be economical.i don't know exactly how far he can get it out there but I'm sure it's decent,he makes it look effortless ,and ps,,I own an 1894 in 32 caliber with a serial number well under a million which is pretty coolMike,
Mr. Andersson adopted his casting style because of shoulder pain. One good way to train against his style, which I refer to as 'pure' underhanding, is to duct tape your top hand elbow to your side, use a relaxed three-fingered ring grip on the upper hand, and use the bottom hand to 'stir the pot'.
Once you get it, it almost feels like cocking a Winchester 1894 with your bottom hand, and produces effortless, dartlike loops. Really fun.
what might be tough to catch on the video, as far as d-loop formation, is that this technique uses the bottom hand's motion to move the rod in such a way that the d-loop is formed and the anchor set. Henrik Mortensen's video's provide a near analogue, but Henrik's style is a little more loose, closer to modern scandi, but I've seen Goran also toss in some top hand arm, and even a little shoulder now and then.
Scandi casting becomes very individuated, very unique to each person who does it and what outfits they prefer, and the lines blur pretty fast under close examination.
After a number of years I think I have figured it out enough to explain what Andersson is doing. Andersson calls it the Underhand Technique. It is his style of casting that is underhand...with the limited movement of the upper hand, the “stirring of the pot” with the lower hand, and the pivoting body movement that helps set the d-loop. So if you were right-handed and facing down stream with your line on the dangle, rod tip at the surface, your first move is lifting the rod with a wee “knock” to the left to break the line free from the surface. The rod is raised as the bottom hand stirs and the angler rotates his body (and the rod) to his right. The d-loop forms behind and to the right, and then the rod is “stirred” forward, almost all bottom hand, the top hand scarcely moving, and the rod butt is pulled sharpish into the left hip area, resulting in a brief high stop, then the rod tip is dropped to follow the line down to the surface. So if you ignore the style for a moment, you would say that Goran has made a single Spey cast. He makes a point of saying that you can do different types of casts using the underhand style. He demonstrates briefly an overhead cast with an underhand set-up in his short video, right where he says that he seldom uses an overhead cast. He uses the underhand style to do a short single spey cast that loads the rod for an overhead cast finish. My home river is a small one, and has long gravel beaches with lots of back cast room. I find myself using Andersson’s style most often because it feels natural to me, almost effortless, and unlikely to ever cause me an injury. I am of an age similar to Andersson, (old), and I have old heavy gear that would hurt me if it could. I use the underhand set-up for overhead casting when I have the room behind me because it suits me and my old stuff and I am very accurate with my casting. It’s like trout fishing but with a 13’ bamboo stick. Dana Sturm mentions the injury bit on “Modern Spey Casting”, when he is explaining the underhand style and the double hauling on a 10 wt single hand rod that caused him such pain that he dropped his Spey rod in the river doing conventional style casting. Does that help at all? Cheers, Buff.Anyone familiar with this guys action?what sets up the d loop position in his cast?im curious what the first move is before he goes into the dloop and firing position,,,I've looked at what little video there is of him and can't figure it,thanks mike
There is a difference between a Single Spey done in the underhand style and a conventional Single Spey. For example, the top hand in the underhand style is used as a fulcrum, loose grip, while "stirring the pot" with the lower hand. In conventional casting, most of the power in the forward stroke is from the top hand. Little arm movement in underhand, elbow bent, forearm relatively tight to the body. Conventional has lots of movement of the upper hand, tight grip, powerful extension of the forearm in the forward cast. Hywel Morgan has a short video clip in which he compares "Underhand" to "Spey". He explains the difference between the rods best suited for each style, and then discusses and demonstrates the different arm movements for an Underhand Double Spey and a conventional Double Spey. Crystal clear.Sooooo, is there a difference between an underhand cast and the single spey?