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What is your cast of choice when you have the bank tight against your back. I have been modifying the single, double, and snake casts for a smaller "D" on the back cast and putting more power into my forward cast. It kinda works until I start trying for greater distance--usually I end up breaking the point of my fly on the rocks behind me.
 

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I have been working on the Square Cut cast...I had it described to me about 2 weeks or so ago and used this cast wth success on a run which would not even allow a limited D-loop.

Obviously, since I have never seen this cast performed, I was not consitent with it but when I did hit it, it rocked!! I actually threw my best casts and tighest loops with this cast then any other cast aside from the Spiral Roll during those few days of fishing. :confused:
 

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Bebop,
90% of the time in these situations you will have enough room to form a small loop using a circle cast or snap T, but if it's really tight I try and pull off a square cut, which is a bit trickier in the timing but gets the job done. Good luck, John
 

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Square Cut Cast

I think there is some info on Derek Brown's Spey Masterclass video.
 

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Hello Bebop

On my house water in Germany I have your situation on the most spots.
I make a underhand cast with short shooting heads from 9m(ca.30ft) it works perfect.
I never hear from the square cut but will be very interest to get more information over.

Taki
 

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Square Cut Cast

MJC is correct, Derek Brown does a decent job of showing the square cut on his video.

Basically it is single spey that Derek uses to cast in a brisk downstream wind. Essentially you "throw" the anchor out into the stream and up from your position rather that in front of you, then you make your D-loop and fire the cast. If I'm using it in a downstream wind (which I'd only do if there was an obstruction on the downstream side of me) I would tend to use a little bit of a "side-arm" motion in the D-loop and forward stroke to try to cut under the wind.

The square cut is one of those "fishing casts" that one needs to get the job done in trying situations - it is a good one to have in your arsenal.
 

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Perry poke works well too. I'll have to go watch the DB video per the square cut, sounds interesting, thanks Kush.
 

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Spiral Sidearm

You can also get under the wind with the spiral, if you do not lift the rod so high and come forward with the rod lower.

I wonder if Kush does something like that?

You can control the spiral so that there is not a lot of D loop behind you and the anchor is more out in front.
 

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Ted,

I've been know to try a whole array of casts to get the line out in difficult conditions and situations! Yes, normally in trying to deal with a wind that is blowing towards me I will cast a little side-arm to try to keep the line from being stalled by the wind. If it is not blowing too hard it seems to help, however in a truly stiff wind I just make up my mind to shorten up and really focus on the "in close" water!

It is funny that you bring up me and a side-arm motion - it is sometimes a nemisis of mine. As I normally use long rods they give me the ability to get a bit lazy and I let my right shoulder casts "tip over" a little. Since the length of the rod allows me to get away with the side-arm motion I pick up bad habits, then when I extend out into longer casts I wonder (for a few casts at least) why I'm getting too much line stick.

This topic has got me onto one of my favourite little rants, that is I feel that the mark of a great caster is the ability to present the fly to the fish - no matter what the conditions. Too often we get stuck on how far we can cast, I know - I do it all the time. It is so much fun to fire out monster casts that it is easy to get carried away and forget why we are really there - it is called fishing - not casting.

Many people get into spey fishing because of the lure of the long cast and I'll agree with Dennis Dickson and his criticism of 2-handers fishing the wrong water ( though I did once taunt him by chucking a long cast over his pontoon boat with my 18' B&W as he drifted by me at the Darrington Bridge on the Sauk). The true value of the 2-hander is its ability to fish the water and one of the key ingedients to that is flexibility. By that I mean have an open mind about your fishing and casting - work on all the casts and styles of casting that you can - you'll never know when a strange little cast like a square-cut single spey may catch you the fish of a lifetime!
 

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I took Derek Brown's three day course on the Deschutes this fall and he taught two casts appropriate for close-to-the-bank situations - The square-cut and the double-roll casts.

He spent the most time on the square-cut. Since the square cut is described elsewhere in this thread. I'll only add that Derek initiates the cast by lifting up and toward the bank (about 1 meter). This is probably what permits one to get the anchor set further away from the bank than a classical single spey.

As for the double-roll cast, he only demo'd the cast and we didn't really have time to practice it. However, when Derek demo'd the cast, he backed right up into the bushes and launched the cast about 75 feet. Beautiful.

What I remember of the cast is probably not enough to enable someone to execute it. But I'll write down the steps and maybe it will trigger someone with more experience who can describe the double roll more precisely:

(1) From the dangle, execute the first part of a double spey (except don't cast your fly, just lay the line down on the water - With a 15 ft rod, this simply brings the fly 15 ft closer to you).
(2) Execute a backhand roll cast with a reach move, i.e., a classical reach cast. When Derek did this the fly and the line moved out into midstream about 45 degrees to the current.
(3) Switch hands and execute another roll cast. If you need a greater angle, put a reach into the second roll cast.

Cheers,

Michael
 
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