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Hello, friends and senior anglers.
I have been troubled to fish the chum in still water.
Although water flows little, There is nearly no current because the place I fish is brackish water near sea, moreover when the wind blows upstream, the line even flows to upstream...
I could look at not small number of chums, they never take the fly...

And I felt that spey casting may not be effective in still water because after casting, no current make line slack and it requires much more casting repeatedly after each presentation so I think it even more scares the fish...
Is My thinking right?

If you happen to know effective method to fish the chum and to spey cast in these place which have nearly no current, woud you advise me your experience and method?
And also I will thank you to let me advice its effective fly patterns and attractive colors to chum.
Thank you.

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That's a tough situation to try and answer.

I ran into the same problem when the tides went slack in Salem, MA while fishing for stripers. However, stripping in a fly for strikes and drifting chum patterns are two different tactics. You are more likely to snag a fish while stripping in a chum pattern cross channel through a pod of fish.

How does the current flow through when there is a minus (-) tide? Also, look for channels when the tide is going out and that is where you will find moving water.
As for the wind factor, use it to your advantage and let the fly be swung by the force of the wind. Try an intermediate tip to get some depth and bring the fly to a reasonable presentation depth as well.

As for flies, pretty much anything will do. I know many people say chartreuse and that would be the all around fly color. I prefer articulated flys that really get moving when there is a current and or movement by stripping the fly or even twitching the rod.

I hope this at least helps figure out how to approach the water.
 

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Hi, loophitech,

loophitech,
Thank you so much for your kind advice.

Yes, as you said, there is where the tide is go out, but we can't fish there because there is off limit area.
So we have to fish at litte upstream area where stillwater is and in more uptream, although there is little more current, chum is not there in term when we are allowed to fish the chum.
My anxiety is here...

So I am in condition which I have to meet the chum in deadly still water.
And actually wind made the line to be swung and drifted to upstream, so, as you said, I had tried to use it and I could feel little similar tension just like normal downstream swing.
However I don't know which is problem, chum had never take the fly...

And I wonder my problem is in fly color because I didn't use the chartreuse color though I had tried to use various fly.
After all, sometimes I used to strip the fly when even wind was not blowing, I think maybe it will be the only one way to meet the chum in still water...
In fly material, I think that the softer material such as marabou, hen hackle, spey hackle may be better than the stiffer materials such as buck tail, and so on in stillwater, though its material's usage is different...
How do you think about it?

And I had ever seen the angler who use the poper and catch sockeye in stillwater in video, I wonder it will be the method for chum in stillwater.
If you happen to have experiance which take effect in still water for even striper or any fish, let me advise your experiance.
Thanks again,

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Howdy cloudsfor,

You will definitely get more "movement" from a fly in still water if you use materials like marabou, spey hackle and the such when tying flies.

As for poppers and chum, I have never done that and don't know anyone that has. I doubt that will work but one never knows. Here where I fish for chums they are quite spooky during low water tides and distance is the best tactic. But with your strong upstream winds that may be difficult without a rod that can throw wind resistant flies adn lines. If you are fishing within a 60-75 foot range like I was in New England, the windcutter or shooting heads such as Loop adapted lines or RIO scandinavian heads will do you fine if you get into spey casting.

I hope this helps some.
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I fished in Hood Canal near Seattle for chums in salt water.
They were eagerly taking fly, but not so easy to bring to the hand, very hard fighting fish and 9 from 10 were self-released.

Tactic was sort of sight fishing. I watched where the shoal of fish cruising in shallow water, shoot chartreuse-and-white clouser straight to the target, and animated it with quick strips.
No need to use spey cast in such condition in my opinion.
 

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I would likely use a single hander if it were me and a slime line/intermediate, fluorocarbon leaders, and small sparse chartreuse flies with dumbell eyes/clouser style to reduce snagging which is typically the go to set up when fishing skittish coho/silvers/pinks in estuaries/beaches.

A single hander and clear line is the better way to approach your scenario in my mind.
 
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