Second vote for the above. Last fall I was loosing far more of my fish than ever hit the beach ... and it was driving me nuts ... yes, yes, a short drive I know :roll: ... and shifting back to shorter shank, finer wire hooks went a long way in correcting the 'problem.'I think it matters more tube/stinger vs. traditional long shank. Used to lose a fair # of fish on long-shanked salmon irons, the stinger setup or tube w/ short shank lands more fish for me.