First Nations land dispute

Awesome vid. Oh god even the thought of losing any part of this watershed is a crime. How in the name of god could anyone even contemplate potentially damaging this part of the planet. GREED multiplied by Greed, made by people who live so very far away in there gated communities, with no interest to the consequences of there actions, probably not even a care for anything other than there big fat bank account.

As an outsider I have to be careful with my opinions, but I do feel the first nations as a group have been probably the biggest influence in this land not being totally grabbed up and destroyed, so the more we can stay on good communications with them, the better for us all.

Thanks JD. Great video in which concerns are married with awesome scenes of what could be lost when, not if, something happens.

Well worth our time and effort to see that this pipeline never comes to fruition.

thanks.

Bob

Not to hijack this thread but,,,

Lest anyone label me a tree hugger, Eco-terrorist or anything else, allow me to clarify my position on such sensitive matters. Having previously stepped off the deep end, I have learned to bite my tongue, especially in matters concerning our Northern neighbors.

It puts one having conservative views in a rather difficult position trying to find balance between the needs of everyday life and those of the heart. We need the jobs which big business provides, however, that does not include giving big business cart blanch permission to rape the land. We need energy, but again we need to establish priorities on how we go about obtaining it. Yet we demand protections for the environment we hold dear. Challenging times to be sure. We need to start thinking outside the box & come up with better solutions. Because what we have done in the past is no longer good enough.

grinr said:

and before anyone gets there panties in a knot and screams racist,riddle me this??
What do you call it when a collective group of people representing 3%(?) of a population enjoy special benefits,privelages,and...ahem...."rights",based SOLELY on the bloodline that they were born into?
If that's not THE definition of racism and discrimination,then I don't know what is?

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In America we call them rich white people. And we point to posts like yours as perfect examples of rascism.

Just wondering surfdog, what are all those "special" (as in legislated) benefits that you speak of?

Articulate please........

And if grin's post was an example of racism (as you said), because he is opposed to special privilege, is your post an example of racism, too? You seem to be opposed to special privilege, too.

There is a difference between privelege and indigenous rights that most ******* Canadians fail to understand. Everyone back away slowly.

Before this slides too far into a socio/political mess, I would like to quote JD's earlier post. I think you put it well JD, and I think the basic logical outlook you describe in respect to development/environment could well be applied to this specific conflict too. No need to start calling each other racists here, nor attempt to distill a complex issue down to black and white absolutes.
JB

JDJones said:

Lest anyone label me a tree hugger, Eco-terrorist or anything else, allow me to clarify my position on such sensitive matters. Having previously stepped off the deep end, I have learned to bite my tongue, especially in matters concerning our Northern neighbors.

It puts one having conservative views in a rather difficult position trying to find balance between the needs of everyday life and those of the heart. We need the jobs which big business provides, however, that does not include giving big business cart blanch permission to rape the land. We need energy, but again we need to establish priorities on how we go about obtaining it. Yet we demand protections for the environment we hold dear. Challenging times to be sure. We need to start thinking outside the box & come up with better solutions. Because what we have done in the past is no longer good enough.

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Racism is racism, and it's not ok. But sorry to go off topic...

I'm not ok with racism where ever I see it. Sorry to go off topic, but going all racist on a complex issue--as the poster I responded to did--is just wrong and I won't let it pass. I will not, however, post the self righteous explanatory essay that I had contemplated. That too would suck.

Enlightened Anglers With No Place to Fish

You can sit there and talk about how "enlightened" you are about this or how you are a "noble" thinker all the while you will have no place to fish in the end……wake up before it's too late.:Eyecrazy:

Sounds positive.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2172266

People need to understand that very few FN groups are opposed to cooperation, sport fishing or allowing access to their lands for any number of purposes (remembering that it is their land as defined by Canadian and International law). What they are opposed to is that access occuring without their consent. They are currently seeking the court-directed opportunities to be involved with resource management which has been denied to them by racist governments and policies enacted throughout the last 100 years. I have found none to be unreasonable in their demands, save for a few on the fringe which one should expect to find in any situation.

According to the article above, sport fisherman were to be evicted as of yesterday.
Has this taken place?
I have done many internet searches but latest update I can find is dated Aug.12th

I'm pretty interested in this whole event (plan on attending law school, interested in this field). What I've read is they aren't opposed to fisherman on their land but I see them as wanting to take a hard stance against any intrusion at the moment. We really need to stand together with the various native groups in the region as they're the ones with the claim to the area and the protection that it requires. The status quo is changing...

So what I want to see is what the FNs do when big oil comes along with 100s of millions of $ for allowing a pipeline to go through?


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I asked the question for the same reason the post was started, I am trying to make travel arrangements.
If anyone has facts, not opinions, please chime in.
Thanks,
Greg

kaster63 said:

I asked the question for the same reason the post was started, I am trying to make travel arrangements.
If anyone has facts, not opinions, please chime in.
Thanks,
Greg

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Greg

Fact: call the band council office. You'll be able to better judge how to go about things after talking with someone there, hopefully.


Jim

Thanks Jim, That's not really a fact more like advise...in my opinion, albeit good advise

Another member did send me a pm stating that he has a report from a lodge owner stating that the ban is confined to the lower Kispiox, Kitwanga and Hazelton areas. This was the same report I had from another lodge I contacted.

I am trying to get as much information as I can because the person I am going with is spending large $ for this trip and this may be his last trip to this area for a long while, I won't get into details on his behalf

If anyone is out there now and has current (post Sep.17th) information/experience with regards to the ban it would be greatly appreciated.

Just came home this weekend.
I fished the Kispiox for 1 day and spoke to several people, 1st nations, 2nd nations and 8th nations.
No problem at all, no demolished cars, no trees cutted on the backroads.
Only the $100 'entrance fee' for the first 25 km's of the Kispiox.
Very low water though and lots of flyfishermen on the upper river.
Spend the rest of my trip on the Skeena and Coppper.

I fished the Bulkley Sept. 29 - Oct. 3 from upstream of Smithers downstream to the mouth. No issues experienced with First Nations, no signs regarding any eviction, nothing. And other anglers were fishing in the same areas. By all appearances to me, it looks like the angler eviction is a non-issue.

Sg

Yup been fishing 2 weeks total non issue. Fishing has been slow though.

Scotsmac1,

If you're still there, go upriver, way upriver.

Sg