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A fellow speyer who was teaching me the spey casts recommended putting BLACK ELECTRICAL tape on the ferules (and he did specifically say not to use duct tape, electrical tape is what I bought), since apparently the roll casts cause the ferules to shift. Do you tape your ferules (in case I am using the term wrong, ferules being where the rod sections connect)?
 

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Do a search under "taping" you will find lots of answers. I would not use duct tape! Electrical tape is good.
 

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this has been talked about a lot but why not again:)

I do not tape! I personally feel that taping gives a false sence of security. I have seen a fair number of taped rods break because they became loose. It is my opinion that whether taped waxed or anything else people should be checking their sections very frequently through the course of casting or fishing
 

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Don't use tape...

Steve_sullivan said:
A fellow speyer who was teaching me the spey casts recommended putting duck tape on the ferules, since apparently the roll casts cause the ferules to shift. Do you tape your ferules (in case I am using the term wrong, ferules being where the rod sections connect)?
Take the glaze from a Krispy Kream and put it on the male end of the rod before you put it together. :tsk_tsk: do I gotta teach you everything?
 

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Rob -

We've certainly discussed taping a lot, but we haven't discussed checking the ferrules very often.

Do you find it difficult to check the top ferrule of a 15' 4-pc rod on a frequent basis? If not, I would be curious to hear how you do it as we are about the same height, thus 'wingspan' accoring to DaVinci.
 

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For every hardcore spey rod fanatic that doesn't tape, you will find 4 that do. I am not going to tell you to tape or not although I certainly do. Follow Kevin's advice and do a search on "taping". There is more there than you will ever want to read.
 

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Juro.. it's easy you set the butt of your rod in the water or on the bank and check them... :) any reel or rod for that matter that cannot stand a dunking shouldn't be on the river... on the other hand I never use rods that long:) or for that matter any 4 piece rods :p I see what you are saying but i have no reservations at all about dropping the butt of my rod in the water to check the upper ferrules.. better wet than broken:)
 

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I check my ferrules from time to time throughout fishing. A good waxing seems to keep them together best for me and allow easy assembly and take down. I drop the reel in the water to check the top ferrule as Rob says. Good two-handed grips have plenty of cork to keep even my Salmon 3 afloat.
 

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the question was=

do YOU tape,no I don't,if your manufacturer recomends taping=i would recomend you tape,but don't believe you're safe because you tape once and then forget about the fit of the pieces,wander off and castaway for hours,,every rod/caster is different,check the fit every so often,lots of variables like warming/and seizing the pieces together,,just do yourself favor and take nothing for granted
 

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Ferrule slippage is most prevalent when temperature changes occur through the time you are casting. This could be November or February in the mountains where light emphasizes temp change. It could be quite cold, the gloves could be nice and dry, the cork nice in the hands for the big grab.

Or... the cork could be slippery, the gloves damp, the reel dripping and the ferrules come loose anyway. The last thing I would do when winter run fishing is dump the bottom portion of the rod in the water or wade to shore to rest the rod butt on a rock etc. 60 seconds at the truck saves all that trouble, as Ben Franklin said "a stitch in time saves nine".

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We all know taping and untaping can be very unpleasant when you start fishing at daybreak and finish at dusk or when you change pools by driving. Even with good taping ,the ferrules can be loose. I prefer 3 piece spey rods than 4 - one less ferrule to be loose, but more difficult to travel with them. I remember my Sage 9150 (traditional)-the half of rod flew out and hit the rock. Over the years I found the rods with longer length 14'+,heavier tip and line wt. ,and more coating on blank( the previous GLX did not put coating on the blanks) will more likely require taping. I have to tape Sage 9150,10151. I do not need to tape Sage8136,6126,GLX8130,9140,10150,11156 and T&T10150-3. For Sage 9150 with good taping, I have check the ferrules 3 to 4 times while all day fishing. As you see, You have to know your rods and the power(torque) being applied. If you are a good caster and cast less than 60' all day, you don't have to tape the ferrules of any rods. This is my tip for you. When you buy a new rod, fish with it without taping and find out if the ferrules become loose. If ferrules are tight, you do not have to bother taping. Whether the rod is taped or not, make a habbit of checking your ferrules a few times a day especially if you make long casts. Waxing male ferrules can be done only if you don't mind minor scraches on the ferrules.
 

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To each their own i guess but i have seen many broken rods that were taped but still came loose. at least check them when your done with each run....
 

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UH OH,

I'm one of the guys that don't tape there rods, I wax mine and check it out while fishing (I should have said casting). For a beginer you should tape your rods
 

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Ditto the ~other~ Brian

I agree - as someone who's spent a bit of time on the river with my spey rods, I'm familiar with the stress I'm putting on my them and check in accordance with this (= 40' casts into pockets or repeated 90'+ casts covering flats) as well as other factors (Juro mentioned temp/barometer changes).

I don't like tape, but will use it in certain circumstances (longer rods, extended belly lines, lots of long casts, and situations where the rods will remain assembled for 2 or more days).

The Tape On/Tape Off ritual does nothing for me, but it ~is~ good insurance if you haven't gotten in the habit of checking periodically during fishing (=beginner).

Juro has a good point about checking 15'+ rods - since I don't fish long rods much anymore :) thats not a problem for me. But if I did string one up, it would be for the situation mentioned above (extended belly line, lots of long casts, etc). In that case, and since I don't like to have my Hardys banging around in the rocks anymore than absolutely necessary, I would use tape just for added insurance.


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Tape, tape tape, do it once, do it right and they won't loosen and you won't have to check them throughout the day. Duct tape is not the answer use ahighly stretchable electrical tape, like 3m.
 

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Steve_sullivan said:
Do you tape your ferules?
Nope.....................
 

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i've got the translation!

i think he means,he gets up before daylight,then dives out of his rig when he reaches his favorite spot that's got fresh chrome fish rolling as far as the eye could see, :hihi: ,of course with dougnut glaze on his fingers from combining the 80 plus mile an hour trip there with breakfast :lildevl: ,then puts his rod together and goes after it before the hoards show up,,,but i'm certain he must use starbucks coffee to break the chemical bond of the glaze followed by a lipton iced tea to cool down and part the now coupled components that seized together with the warming of the day,or,,, :D :chuckle:maybe a double shot and a roll of tape over that and,,aw well,,just a thought!,,never was good at translating but i did use cinnamon roll for ferrel lube last monday morning myself so,,;)
 

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No more taping

Last year someone on the board suggested using surgical rubber tubing for holding the ferrules tight. At the time I thought it was a good idea and then I thought what if the the tubing would break down after exposure to the sun and attach itself permamently to the blank, I then disgarded the idea. At the start of the Steelhead season in January I decided to give the surgical tubing a try, found and installed the proper sized tubing on two different rods and hit the river. After 50 plus days of fishing I have encountered no problems using the tubing and the ferrules have remained tight and have not encountered any rod alignment difficulties either. Durng the first few days I did check the ferrules every so often but after encountering no problems I decided to give it a real test and only check the rod at the end of the day. On my rods I installed both black and yellow tubing and after 50 plus days of fishing they both show no signs of wear, but I also put two test pieces out in the weather and the yellow shows signs of breaking down and the black looks like new.
Thanks to whomever came up with the idea I will be using Surgical tubing from now on.




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