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I've been using a digital camera for several years during various schools and clinics, and have found them to be invaluable. Recent advances in digital technology have made cameras like the Pentax Optio W10 availalble that will allow you to take stills and movies in most conditions then play them back later frame-by-frame to allow casters to really see what they're doing.

Anyone else using cameras as part of their teaching, and if so, what are your experiences?
 

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I'm not really an instructor, but, I do help my kids when they are not around Al, Klem, Stan, etc., so maybe my comments have some meaning.

I've had a W10 for over a month now, and taken several videos of casting. I have found the videos to be the BEST way to identify faults, and communicate them. The video is particularly potent when combined with pictures of proper technique:

After a fault is identified, the video can be viewed by scrolling slowly through, and perhaps stopping at a key part. The video/picture can be compared with a picture of proper technique, as, for example, from Simon's book. Here are some of the things we noticed and/or communicated recently. (Our first casting sessions in many months, and most of last year was a bust for the kids because of injuries, so maybe they were off form...)

Me: Fail to raise the hands/rod tip as the d-loop is forming, with the potential to increase line stick.

Olga: Rod tip path during d-loop formation is nearly parallel to the water, so that all the lower leg can hit the water at once.

Roman: Stroke is too short because of creep.

My experience is that the use of a digital video for casting analysis is great!

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Way Yin/Steve Chote 'normally' use a good dig. video camera. Same reasons noted above but you can also play back via a large screen TV set. Again, you can fast forward, back, freeze frame, etc.
 

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Playback method Question

Bill and Dana,
On the river, how do you handle the playback? Is the view screen of your camera big enough to allow "SEEING" clearly? Or do you go to a TV for playback? My little views screen is not adequate for on the river use. I have to go to my TV set to get an adequate image. Curious how you all handle the clear image "thingie" on the river..

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Dwight,

I doubt any digital camera has an LCD sufficient for on-river use. The W10 has a very nice 2" LCD, but I don't think it would suffice for that. Perhaps a digital video camera with a much larger LCD would work, but I'm not even too certain about that.

We just review the videos on the PC. With a laptop on the river...hmm, maybe I'll try that sometime.

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The W10 LCD is ok if you zoom in during filming, but it is best played back on a TV later. The notebook option would work as well--I have a private lesson next week and I'll give that a try.
 

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Thanks

Will my wife go for a laptop computer so I can use it on the RIVER???? But honey, It will really help the students!!! I have been thinking about getting a TV set-up in my rig for playback but the notebook idea hits the mark. Great idea Bill. Now convince my wife we need a laptop!
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.............We took a laptop to MI with us,worked well. Use the Canon A620,a great little camera. While it isn't water resistant,it continued to work well after a dunking while landing one of mjyp's fish! A quick shaking,after we noticed the wake in the water caused by the camera,and all was well!
I'm sure Canon doesn't recommend that cleaning method!
 

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I'm not that knowledgable on cameras and am looking for a low cost camera for an upcoming fishing trip. This W10 looks like a good option. Maybe I'm missing something here, but how do you frame in a subject you want to photograph if you don't have a view finder. Or does the LCD display take care of that?
 

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yup,

the LCD lets you frame things up. It is a good size on the W10 and it is easy.

underwater though you have to point and click, taking several shots and hoping one works--the W10 has a power wind feature that lets you shoot several in a row. Leave it on wide angle and you can crop later. Takes good underwater video too...
 

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to see,or not to see....

...............Chromedome,my Canon has a screen,and a viewfinder. The lighter it is outside,the harder it is to see the display. if you have a viewfinder,it is always easy to compose your picture. The 620 has a great screen that rotates and pivots,but I almost never use it. Too many years using 35mm I guess.
 

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Thanks for your help! It sounds like the LCD way of framing may not always be real quick and simple, but would certainly be adequate for nearly all conditions. I would be mainly using the camera for taking pics of fish released but want to take some scenery shots as well.
 

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FWIW, I just got a W10 after hearing from many how pleased they were with it. For spare batteries I got 2 on ebay for $14 delivered to my door in Canada. Even though the factory battery has an excellent life, I like spares for longer trip insurance etc. And SD memory cards, 2Gb 150x's $55 shipped. Stateside the W10's as low as $235 or so. Video's proven out quite good to date, filmed a bear less than 100' in front of me yesterday - either he or I was uninvited!

I also have a canon s1 IS with the 360 swivel viewfinder, use it all the time, excellent to capture angles of items you'd never get without the LCD. Reduced my eye strain and a lot easier to shoot pictures when moving (ie. in a car or on a boat/bouncing etc.....). You can shoot pictures behind you without turning around etc....as viewfinder reverses/flips etc, once you start using it the possibilities are endless. Both are great cameras IMO.
 

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W10

Just ordered myself a W10. Thanks for posting your pic & vid Dana that finally swung my decision to go with the W10. Hoping to recieve the parcel in the post today.

Cheers
Graeme:)
 

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Also ordered the camera.

Costs below are total costs that may or may not include shipping and taxes:

Pentax Optio W10 camera - $249 from Willoughby's

Extra D-LI8 battery - $12.99 from Fat Gadgets

SanDisk SDSDB-1024-A10 1 GB Secure Digital Card $24.99 from emartbuy

There was prompt delivery on all items which I just got. You may want to shop around more. Earlier I was going to buy the camera from Butterfly. But when their price went up I looked around more and got a better price from Willoughby.
 

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just bought one too! these are hard to find in the portland area. this is the camera to own for the pacific northwest, wet, wet, wet. i have had it for a few days now and am very impressed with it's comact size and performance.

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Dana,

I've just returned from Russia (Middle Varzuga). Fantastic sport. For the trip I bought a W10 as last year I fell into the Spey and my Sony didn't like it.
The photo results are mixed and not quite up to the sharpness of my Sony.
What mode do you use for general river photography ? I used the P mode and maybe that is not the best but as I only got the camera days before the trip I didn't have time to experiment.

Jim.
 
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