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Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a complete (mostly complete anyway) list of Spey line weights and head lengths.

Both Speybum and Peter have done a great job on many lines on their respective sites.

links here:

http://www.speyshop.com/spey_line_weights__and_head_leng.htm

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http://mountaincable.net/~pcharles/castingweight.xls

But these lists are not complete. Can we anoint one of these the "Master" for Speypages and then kick off a concerted by all of us here to keep it updated?

These lists are tremendously useful when trying to determine new lines to try. And heck, if there are going to be dozens of new rods coming out soon we are going to need up-to-date resources like these :).

Thoughts?
 

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Well after winter settles in and I finish the fly pattern upload stuff I was kicking around the idea of a member driven rod and line database. We would have lists of all rods and lines that would could be continually updated by the forum members as they get new rods and/or lines. Members could save comments on rods/lines and list line matches for rods for others to refer to.

Was thinking this would be the best way to have a continually updated knowledge base that spey casters could go to to see what lines may match their rods and vice versa. Of course all the line specs would be uploaded as well for reference.

If the members think this would be a good thing let me know and I will tackle it in the next couple months.

-sean
 

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Hi Sean.
I should be able to help soon.
At the Loomis rod testing that Rick and I just completed with Steve Rajeff,Steve Choate,Chris Seipio and Marlow Bumpus we used as many of the retailers lines as possible for the test.
I will try and do an Excel spread sheet for this week and send it on.
Can you send me you PM address.
Regards Speyladdie.
 

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Me too Sean.
 

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old data

Sean,

Since you have so grasiously volunteered, if I post a couple of Excel files, can you download them? I must warn you though, they have not been kept up to date.
 

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Hey Sean...

JD's list should be at the very start of this data base as it was the original list.
I know that it was in existence in 2001.
 

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Great stuff!

Not to mention that Rio allows going from line to rod (vs rod to line) on their fairly extensive lines for rods data on the Rio site, which has been a standard for matching lines to rods and should provide quite a bit of additional "seed" data.
 

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Sounds good. Just email them to me and I will make sure it gets in there. We need all the data we can get. This will be an interested project. Started a rough sketch of the database design last night. It still may be another month or so before we can start but when done we should have quite the kick ass spey line/rod information system.

-sean
 

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In the spirit of this thread, does anyone know what may be happening with regards to a standardized spey line weight numbering system? There was discussion of this last fall/winter here in the forums and I remember Bruce and Simon saying something about such a standardization being discussed by their respective line companies along with a third line manufacturer. Was wondering what happened to this and if it is something we should be looking forward to anytime soon.
 

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Sean, please consider the following when designing your database schema:

When viewing details for a rod, I would find it helpful if line recommendations were categorized with these three distinctions:

1) Stock lines recommended by the rod or line manufacturer
2) Stock lines with little or no modification recommended by board members
3) Stock lines that are heavily modified and/or line recipes from board members.
 

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Great suggestion and something I was thinking about in the design.

Will also start up a new thread where everybody can start throwing out ideas of what they would like to see in an interactive line/rod matching tool.

-sean
 

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sean said:
Sounds good. Just email them to me and I will make sure it gets in there.
-sean
I need an email address that will allow me to attach some Excel files.
 

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From Homer2Hander (Brian); he'd just posted this to another board.

SPEY LINE WEIGHTS AND HEAD LENGTHS
THIS DATA IS AS OT FEBRUARY 4, 2004
MANUFACTURE LENGTH WIGHT IN GRAINS
SA XLT-6/7F 90 790
SA XLT-7/8F 90 880
SA XLT-8/9F 90 990
SA XLT-9/10F 92 1050
SA XLT-10/11F 102 1265
RIO GRANDSPEY 7/8 80 900
RIO GRANDSPEY 8/9 100 1100
RIO GRANDSPEY 9/10 100 1300
RIO GRANDSPEY 10/11 100 1500
RIO MIDSPEY 6/7 65 490
RIO MIDSPEY 7/8 65 560
RIO MIDSPEY 8/9 65 640
RIO MIDSPEY 9/10 65 725
RIO MIDSPEY 10/11 65 875
RIO MIDSPEY 11/12 65 1100
RIO WINDCUTTER 5/6 50.5" 380
RIO WINDCUTTER 6/7/8 54'6" 455
RIO WINDCUTTER 7/8/9 54'6" 525
RIO WINDCUTTER 8/9/10 54'6" 585
RIO WINDCUTTER 9/10/ /11 54'6" 650
RIO WINDCUTTER 10/11/12 54'6" 740
RIO WINDCUTTER 11/12/13 54'6" 900
WINDCUTTER UPGRADE 6/ 7/8 69'6" 600
WINDCUTTER UPGRADE 7/8/9 69'6" 680
WINDCUTTER UPGRADE 8/9/10 69'6" 750
WINDCUTTER UPGRADE 9/10/11 69'6" 860
WINDCUTTER UPGRADE 10/11/12 69'6" 970
AIRFLO DELTA SPEY WF 6/7F 50'6" 500
AIRFLO DELTA SPEY WF 7/8F 52' 530
AIRFLO DELTA SPEY WF 8/9F 53' 575
AIRFLO DELTA SPEY WF 9/10F 55' 630
AIRFLO DELTA SPEY WF 10/11F 56'6" 690
AIRFLO DELTA SPEY WF 11/12F 57' 770
AIRFLO LONG DELTA SPEY WF 6/7F 61'6" 550
AIRFLO LONG DELTA SPEY WF 7/8F 63' 580
AIRFLO LONG DELTA SPEY WF 8/9F 65'6" 630
AIRFLO LONG DELTA SPEY WF 9/10F 66' 690
AIRFLO LONG DELTA SPEY WF 10/11F 67' 770
AIRFLO TRADITIONAL SPEY WF 7/8 F 82 650
AIRFLO TRADITIONAL SPEY WF 8/9F 84 725
AIRFLO TRADITIONAL SPEY WF 9/10F 85.5 800
AIRFLO TRADITIONAL SPEY WF 10/11F 87 900
LOOP ADAPTED LINE 9/10 F 10.7M
34.75 FT 456
LOOP ADAPTED LINE 10/11 F 11.2M
36.4 FT 618
HARDY MACH I WF 8/9 39ft
12 meters 21 grams 324 grains
HARDY MACH I WF 9/10 14.5 meters 47.5ft
14.5 meters 30 grams 463 grains
HARDY MACH I WF 10/11 15.9 meters 52 feet 42 grams 648 grains
 

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So why is knowing the grain weight so important?

Rehash of many posts but every rod works best withing a given range of 'grain weights' out side the tip. R B Meiser is no longer calls his rods a 7, 8, what-ever on the rod butt; he's listing a 'range' of grains.

Not to mention, the line weights posted on the box are .... :chuckle:

But that gets us back to item 1: by knowing what drives your rod best and the head length/grain weight you can make reasonable choices on choices of line(s) without shoot $75 bucks down the drain.
 
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