nevada caster said:Fred, How deep do you thing that you can fish with your setup? I often fish these leaders attached with a braided loop as does Ted, but I am convinced that it does not get down very deep, and it does not stay down very long. If I really want to get down, or I want it to stay down well through the swing, I usually fish a tip AND a leader. The new Rio "sinktip compensator " kind of does the same. If you are holding one end of the leader up at the surface with a floating line, the other end is not going to get very deep. Nor will it stay down during the swing (unless the water is very slow, or you never clean your floating line so it sinks too!). Does the four or 5 feet of Maxima allow the high end to get down?