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The compensator is a 15 foot section of intermediate line, looped on both ends. It is meant to replace the number two (middle) tip of a windcutter line. Used with a 15 foot sinktip, it is claimed to get you down an additional three to four feet.

Having not, as yet, used this setup I can only speculate. Easier to pick up and cast than a 24 foot big boy tip? Get down as well as the big boy? Dunno.
 

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The sinktip compensater can be a pretty handy little tool when you want to fish some of the deeper pools that have currents that want to lift the tip up to the surface on the swing. The compensater aids in keeping your sinktip down. Works well in faster water also such as the throat or head of a pool. Tip 2 should be taken out and replaced with compensater then you add the sinktip and your off. I spent some time casting a midspey with the compensater installed and it performed quite well, better than I expected. And it cutts right through the wind on those nasty days as there is less resistance. I have thought of cutting back some of the long delta lines to acommadate this to make them a bit more versatile;)


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I have to agree with my lord and master, Brian (you should see him cast). The sinktip compensater is a deadly tool for getting down deep. Worked the compensator with a type 8 tip for days on my Skagit specialist. If the water isn't fast eough or deep enough, you will have to change to a tip 6 when you start pinging the bottom. The sinktip compensater also seems to aid in getting good turn over of heavy, large flies and it is a lot easier to pull out of the water to the back cast than a Big Boy.

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compensator & Skagit

Hey Mattzoid,

Were you using a 15 ft compensator with a short head Skagit line? I've thought about that but my Skagit line is only 36 ft long. And that includes the sink tip! If I were to cut & loop it another 15 feet back, there wouldn't be much left. :whoa:
 

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I've used it on a scan head that was cut back pretty far, but I lost that head to the Skykomish Gods. It worked out to about to about 15 feet of floating, 15 foot compensater and ten foot tips of T-14, type 8, 6, etc. It worked really well and with a shorter tip, turn over was a snap. Kind of hoping this summer when the water drops a bit, I might get it back. I think for the short game, something like 15 of floating, 12.5 feet of compensater and 12.5 foot tips would have been really nice to work. Cutting heads and line is such a big experiment though. Like rods, what may work for one person, may not work for another. And when you change waterways, I have to start over at the fine tuning game.

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Matt
What weight (size) Scan Head did you use?
I haven’t tried Scan head fishing yet, I’ve played with them casting that it.
With all the line combo out there; it is starting to get fun again, trying them all out.
I’ve tried out six different line set-ups, all have been good. Thanks to Peter’s Charts
The CND Skagit can use a host of line’s I found
I will try the compensator tomorrow.
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Ok, I have been using a 6/7 midspey on my 7136-4, so I should be putting the componsator on between the line and one of my heads...right?? What about making one, is there a guide line on how long it should be and what about weight? or are these store bought? Thanks again for all the help.
 

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B.C.Flychucker

This will be the first time for me.:)
And I'm going to use one of my lines:hehe:
 

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Brian,

It was a 11/12 I had trimmed to 720 grains for my Talon rod. For the Skagit rod I have a guideline head that runs about 580 to 620 as I recollect. Every since I lost my hard drive, most of my notes are gone so I am having to start over.

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B.C.Flychucker said:
Ok, I have been using a 6/7 midspey on my 7136-4, so I should be putting the componsator on between the line and one of my heads...right?? What about making one, is there a guide line on how long it should be and what about weight? or are these store bought? Thanks again for all the help.

BC,

The Compensator is used in the Multitip versions of the Midspey and Windcutter to replace the tip two, or the Tip first looped onto the belly of the line. It is a Rio product, sized to work with their lines. If your midspey is the Multi-tip, remove both floating tips. Loop on the compensator, then a sink tip. If you don't have the multi tip line, you can cut and loop your midspey to take tips, and I guess a compensator as well, but the 7136 isn't going to like casting heavy sink tips very much.
 

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Also, the compensater tapers toward the tip. The fat end should be facing the belly and reel. So does the 30 foot tip 2 floating upgrade. Mix those up and you will get a real test of your casting skills.

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So were abouts would I be cutting and looping my Midspey as mine is not the Multi-tip system. This may be the problem I'm having as I looped the end of my Midspey and tried using a poly leader off that. Any suggestions? Once again thanks for all the help.
 

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I've stopped buying lines with tips as I have enough to go around, plus you can order tips from Rio if you don't have a particular weight. I'd look up the specs for lines with tips and cut to those specs and loop. Some people prefer to cut Airflo back a couple extra feet than the specs state. To be really accurate, I'd like to get a micrometer for customizing lines. Again, it's about cutting them to your casting and preferences.

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BC,

The 7136 with a 6/7 midspey is not going to cast a super fast sink Poly leader or any other sink tip terribly well. If getting down deep is a must for you, another line system might be a better idea, as the 6/7 uncut, is a nice dry line for the rod. Just a thought. Try doing a search on this site looking for threads about lines for the 7136. You will find a lot of info that way.
 

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Thanks Dr Swing, I have noticed that this rod throws a dry line very nicely and I'm going to stay with this set up. I quess now I am looking for a rod and line set up that will do the sink-tip lines on my short west coast rivers. ( how do i sneak another rod into the house):(
 

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Tip length

BC the tip lengths for RIO lines in the last information I had from them is a tip length of 15' for tip one and 15' for tip two. As Dr. swing mentioned, I would not cut the 6/7 midspey for tip use. There is a better option for tip use and that is a Skagit style line. The 6/7 MS weighs 490 grains and the 7/8 560. You want something near 500 grains with a sinking tip and about 3 to 3.5 times the length of the rod.

A fairly good Skagit system is a WC with tip two removed, i.e., you remove tip one and two and add the sinking tip to the belly remaining. You could try the WC 8/9/10 or the WC 9/10/11.

Try to find someone with one of those lines, to let you try it on your rod.
 
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