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Awhile back I posted up some comments on the CND Custom 8/9 13’. I have used this rod for the entire winter/spring steelhead season on the Skagit since those previous comments. I have a few more things to say and a few questions.

The rod mentioned above is a superb rod for casting our so called Skagit lines. I have been using a line which consists of a 24’ belly section of 13 WT. level floating line attached to .032 running line from AST. I use 155 grain 15’ Rio sink tips. This line combination has worked very well with the CND Custom 8/9. I can cast 70 to 80 feet consistently all day long with this setup.

My only complaint on this rod is the reel seat. I have attached a Bougle’ MK IV to my Custom 8/9 and have found this reel to balance almost perfectly with the rod. But, I have found the reel seat is almost to small for the foot of the Bougle’. I have to struggle to get the reel mounted before every fishing trip. I would like to see CND make the reel seat just a tad bigger.

I have a question about CND rods and spey rods in general. Since those of us that use the shorter belly lines and have the need to shoot line. Why don’t the rod makers put larger stripping guides on spey rods? I would think a larger stripping guide would help with the shooting of line. I had the chance to look at a CND 2 handed rod used for striper fishing and noticed the larger lower guides right away. I will assume this larger guides are to facilitate the shooting of line. I need those larger guides on a spey rod.
 

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larger (stripping) guides on a spey rod

Aha! Maybe a clue as to what the rod designer had in mind. To strip, or not to strip. Have you looked at the CND Skagit special? Does it have large stripping guides?
 

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Kerry,

I will pass the concern with guide size on to Nobuo. When we were designing the Thompson Specialist over-size stripping guides, snake guides and titanium tiptop were included to deal with the very thick long belly lines and the icing issue in cold weather.

The use of oversized hardware has become the standard on the entire Specialist line. The Skagit Cast Specialist, which I have fished extensively this spring has them and I believe that it greatly aids in the shooting of line. Will the change occur to the Custom line? That is up to Nobuo, but it may have alot to do with cost factors. I am just a R&D guy, the $ factors are not my call.

As for the reel seat and Hardys, maybe the complaints should go to Hardy :devil: , it seems that their reel feet do not fit a number of rods. However, I will pass this comment on to Nobuo as well. Thanks for the constructive comments.
 

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Attitude

I will pass this comment on to Nobuo as well. Thanks for the constructive comments

Now that's what I like. Someone that listens and responds with courtesy, rather than the defensive attitude we so often get.

Thanks Kush.
 

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I will take up the problem with the to large reel foot with Hardy. Wish me luck; for some reason I feel I will be talking to a wall.

Thank you Kush for the information on the other CND rods. I will need to take a look at those.
 

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Kerry,

Do you know the grain weight of your shooting head with the 155gr. tips? I have the 1308 custom also. I just picked it up a month ago.
I really like it so far. My reel seat loosens up unless
I really tighten it down. I don't know if this is normal or not. I use litespeeds and tiogas on it.

Kevin
 

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My old Sage 509 (built by Hardy) had such a thick reel foot, it would not fit on any of my Sage saltwater rods. I sent the reel back to Hardy and had the reel foot changed. It cost me about $30, but now I can use the reel if the occasion arises.
 

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Kevin

You can keep the custom from loosening so much by slipping an o-ring between the two rings, much like found built in on the specialist series. The o-ring compresses and keeps the system tight.
 

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Hey Kush...

Since you've extensively fished the Skagit Specialist and know CND's you're the man to ask. How much better is that rod for Skagit casting over other CND's like KerryS's 1308 custom or my 1409 Expert? What are the noticeable differences? I am specifically wondering if it's justifiable to buy the Skagit or will I be happy Skagit casting the 1409. Keep in mind that I am just now trying to conceptualize the Skagit casting theory and would probably use it during winter King/steelhead season with tips. (Not buying the Skagit Specialist would leave me free to consider the purchase of the Salar for long bellies:devil: )
 

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Moose,

Yes, I have put 20 days on the river with the Skagit Specialist since Christmas. However, a real expert with the Skagit cast - I don't think think so. I am getting pretty decent at it (due to alot of those days on the water casting and talking with Ed Ward), but Ed is the Skagit master. I will quote what he posted a while ago re the Skagit Specialist.

"This is the sweetest most responsive Skagit casting rod that I have cast. It is amazing to me that what many of us have been asking for, for so many years, a rod specifically designed for casting shooting-heads in the Skagit style, was not addressed by any U.S. rod manufacturers. All we heard was excuses. Enter Nobuo, who takes one of Marlow's lines and designs a rod around around it, and Bingo! he hits it right on. Congratulations and thank-you Nobuo!"

The Skagit Specialist is the most powerful rod Ed uses for steelhead, its reserve power is impressive. The progressive action combined with the IM8 graphite makes this rod what it is. Everthing about this rod is state of the art, it was designed to be a Ferrari.

I will take Ed's word, if he says this is the best Skagit casting rod out there I believe him.

As for the 1308 Custom, I can say that you would be very happy with the 1308 as a Skagit casting rod. It has the progressive action that the continual load Skagit cast requires. Ed recommends a little lighter line - about 630 grains and feels it is a great rod for closer in work. The 1308's IM7 graphite and less robust design makes for a less powerful tool - but still a very sweet casting rod that is excellent for the Skagit style.

While I have not tried the 1409 Expert with the Skagit lines I have fished it a fair bit with mid-spey type lines. The IM6 graphite makes for a "slower" action, but I have always liked casting that particular rod - it seems to cast itself. I am pretty certain that it would be a good Skagit casting tool. Its biggest limitation would be that it would not offer the power/distance that the other rods will provide. That is not necessarily a bad thing, as some rivers do not require a "cannon" to fish properly.

I guess what you might want to think about is how much you will commit to the Skagit style of casting. If you decide to go for it in a big way - then the 13'8" Skagit Specialist is the rod. If long bellies are what you decide on - then consider the Salar. You will be happy either way.

Being that I work for CND, go ahead buy them both :hehe:.
 

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CND CUSTOM RODS

I had the opportunity to try a couple of these rods (Thanks Juro). I ended up with the 1307 and to this day I still love it. My favorite rod to date. I have no prolems with this rod using skagit style lines and casting techniques. It has pletny of reserve power and it is effortless to cast. Currently using a WC 7/8/9 floater cut back 18ft with a loop added. Seems to work extremely well with sink tips up t a type 8. Now I just have to get my hands on the darn SKAGIT SPECIALIST rod. Would love to see what it can do!:rolleyes:
 

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Chromefever. 1307 is my fav too.
 

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Maybe I am crazy...

I have both (Skagit and Salar) and have the Steelhead too!

The Skagit gets the most water time, followed by the Custom 1308. The Steelhead is a great faster rod for mid-bellies and tips. The Salar is a long-line beauty but I don't get to fish it much on my rivers.
 
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