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Perfecting the bad cast
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After fishing for steelhead all winter with the wrong rod I have promised myself that I will have a CND Skagit Specialist for next year's winter fishing. I would beg SPEYBUM to get me one now, but I'm not sure it would be useful for summer run fishing. I primarily fish the Stilly, Sky and Snoqualmie during the warmer months.

Do any of you who own this rod use, or plan to use, it for summer run fishing? If so, do you use the same short heads in summer or do you use longer bellied lines?

Thanks for any advice you can offer!
 

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First off, I want to say that I have not cast the Skagit Specialist except on grass. That being said, would it work for the summer fish on the rivers you describe? Sure. Would it be more rod than you likely need? Without a doubt.

Summer runs on our local rivers rarely require more than a 7 weight. If you are able to afford two rods, I would suggest purchasing a summer stick. Some you might want to look at depending on your preference would be the CND Expert 1306, CND Custom 1307, Sage 7136 or the T&T 1307. CND will also have the Grease Line series debuting soon. These are just a sample of the options you have.
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Next cast,
This is off topic but while we are talking about other rods. I just picked up a Loop 8116 for this very purpose. It's a little rocket launcher! Very well made and very easy to cast. It also is capable of making gentle presentation with a dry fly. Good luck with the selection process.

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Not sure if line weight will change that much as where in the water column that I'll be fishing. I will continue to use my CND Salar and Skagit, Yellow line 9140, Green Line 8120 and Talon 13' 9wt. Don't know if I'll bust out with my Dec Hogan 7 wt. unless I'm on some skinny water. On the Hoko and Sekui, I may use a single handed 8 and 9 wt. Way to hard to swing 12 plus in there.

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Bert,

I will tend to agree with Sinktip here, I think that you will find that the Skagit will be more rod than you may need, but it will not "over-power" smaller fish. The progressive nature of the rod will allow even smaller fish to bend the rod into the cork and allow the fish to put on a good show.

As for having to use tips - not at all a requirement! I have cast a number of dry lines on it and have not cast one that didn't work. Short heads or long heads - its your preference.
 

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Perfecting the bad cast
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Thanks for the help!

This is exactly the kind of advice I was hoping for. Thanks to all of you for taking time to respond so thoughtfully! I had suspected that the Skagit was a bit "heavy" for summer work.

Your suggestions for summer rods are an unexpected bonus. I currently have and enjoy a Sage 7136, but now I want to explore some of your other suggestions. ...This is so much fun. It will be a grand adventure convincing my wife that she WANTS me to buy another summer rod in addition to the Skagit Specialist for next winter! Maybe there should be another thread started focusing on how to win spouses over to our accumulating such massive collections of graphite and string.

Thanks again for the advice!
 

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Hey nextcast...

It will be a grand adventure convincing my wife that she WANTS me to buy another summer rod in addition to the Skagit Specialist for next winter!
Buy "HER" a summer rod. My "Mother's Day Sale" started yesterday and runs through May. Take care, MJC
 

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Do not overlook the Sage 6126. This is my favorite summer rod. Throws a short head very well and I just put a SA Spey XLT 6/7 on it that is fantastic to cast.
 

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IMHO the Skagit is so light and easy to cast that I wouldn't hesitate to use it for the Sky, Hoh, Cowlitz, etc class rivers. But you could certainly go lighter on the East Fk. Lewis, Washougal, Snoqualmie, Green, Wynoochie, Elwha, Sol Duc, Stilly, etc - as desired.

The Custom 1307SP 7/8 13ft is a popular summer run rod, and the Expert 1308 and Custom 1308SP (13' 8/9) are not at all too powerful for summer fish even in the smaller rivers listed above. When lined with a 7/8 Midspey or similar line, they cast with a very light touch and either make for fine summer fishing tools that match the fish and situations for small and large river alike. They are in that all-around zone and are good winter rods as well.

You may have hears that Nobuo is working hard to make the new Greaseliner Series (made with the same IM8 graphite as Specialists and Atlantis rods) available for the arrival of the chrome badboyz of summer.

Beyond CND there are many good rods in this light power / weight range, good luck and may you find a rod that brings you the best summer run season ever!
 

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CND Custom 7/8

CND Custom 7/8 with Rio Scan head/SA Spey Short Head is a deadly combo or Summer Steelies
 

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CND Custom 7/8 Most Excellent Summer Run Rod

I have used the Skagit on the Rogue with Fred using a 8/9 Midspey and Rio Scan heads for Summer Runs and found it a bit of over kill.

As for the Wife I have found out the Diamonds are good. If you buy her one Diamond for each line weight ( 7 weight means 7 diamonds) you will find that they will usally will help you pick the rod out.
It works for me.

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Next Rod...

Nextcast,
It would really be helpful if you stated the "style" of Speycasting that you would like to use - shootingheads/short lines, mid length lines, longbelly lines. This can affect the choices of rods to consider.

From a shootinghead/short line perspective... you already have a 7136, a very capable summer rod for the Puget Sound rivers. Buying another 12 1/2' to 13 1/2' 7 or 8 weight would be an exercise in redundancy. It would be more pragmatic to first buy a Skagit Specialist instead and thus round out a
"basic" year-round arsenal. This would give you your winter rod, plus this rod would fulfill the need to handle any high water conditions that might occur during the summer. Even though our low snowpack is indicative of low water conditions, it is still possible to have a wet summer. Only after getting the basic arsenal complete would I consider getting a second summer rod, and at that point I would make it something that differed from what the capabilities of the basic arsenal displayed.

If you still would rather get a second summer rod right away, then I would like to suggest the following rods. They are all "lighter" (regardless of the line rating) action than the 7136, and are great fun on the smaller inland summer fish that average in that 5 to 6 pound range.
CND Custom 13' 7/8 weight
Meiser 12 1/2' 7/8/9 weight
Sage 12 1/2' 6 weight
 

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Hey Speybum

Do you have a Meiser 12 1/2' 7/8/9 weight on hand?
Can I take it to Oregon for 3 weeks?:hehe:
I'll be at the Sandy Clave.
I don't have this one.
 

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Perfecting the bad cast
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Diamonds are for now!

Thanks SPEYBUM. Had selfishly not considered the diamonds approach. Too focused on carbon at an earlier stage in its evolution. If I do this right, she'll drive me to your place to buy the CND Skagit as well as several of the wonderful summer rods others have suggested! Let's see, one for heads, one for long bellies, one for high water, one for big water...

Thanks to all for the great suggestions!
 

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Hey Brian,

I'm pretty sure Aaron has one at his shop.

I will also be delivering one to Vern Jeramica at the Sandy Clave, and will have a good cross section of my rods at this event as well.

Hope to see you there.

Meiz
 

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Thanks Robert

Is Fred Evans going to make it?
SM:hehe:
I'll have to play with that rod for awhile,
heard good things about that rod.:smokin:
 

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Brian,

Yep,

Fred will be there for sure....Just spoke with him yesterday. My guess is he'll hop in here pretty soon.

Ted R.

...I'll bring the 11'7' as well.... And will have some lines for this.

Meiz
 

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Meiser 12 1/2' 7/8/9

Hey Brian,
If you want to give the Meiser 12 1/2' 7/8/9 a wiggle, let's try to arrange a get together with Wet Fly in the next couple of days at his private casting pond. I have to build a new line for it as the old one is totally trashed from catching loads of 3 to 10 pound Russian rainbows and 6 to 14 pound Kunjas, along with a few 12 to 14 pound Kamchatkan steelhead (had to test the "limits" of the rod). In fact the line is in process right now, just have to do the Aquaseal thing. If you have any heads in the 550 grain range, bring them along for a try.
 

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Meiser 12 1/2' 7/8/9

Robert

Like to spend more time with it.
Got a good idea now, what type of line
Nice light rod

Thanks, RA
 
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