Spey Trackers will be available shortly in limited supply, the Greasedliners are targeted for the early summer run season. I am yet to determine exact production and pricing details but I will let you know. No problem putting on the pressure as it helps.
This was also my first opportunity to cast some of the new models and I have to say that they live up completely to Mr.Nodera's rod design legacy. I knew they'd be good because of his own enthusiasm even during earlier prototyping - he's typically very particular. Glad you liked them too.
I had the honor to meet Nobuo and Tak (and you too Juro) this past weekend.
How many rod designers, other than Nobuo, can claim they've designed more than 2500 rods and have access to some high tech material that is unavailable in the US?
With a few pointers from Tak, who bearly speaks English, I learned how to cast and SHOOT long belly line, which I could never do. Tak's instruction is amazingly effective. Now I have to learn Japanese.
90-degree bow to the friendly, helpful yet humble great masters!
First, Pupafoo, are you planning on sharing those pointers for shooting long bellied lines? I'm listening (hears pin drop).
2nd, Juro, how about some detailed description on the greased liner.
3rd. Great! Just great! I'm just now scraping together enough cash for a Specialist series rod (still haven't decidied which one) and along come 2 more probable "must have" rods. I'm going to have to work a lot more weekends!! :hehe:
I was there at the show for two days. There is nothing I can tell you but to be there to experience yourself, next year (oops sorry you had to work to make money for your next CND rod this year).
Great casters, lots rods and a little place to try them all. There is going to be a DVD of the whole event out there (it is going to be a good one). Give you more info when see you this weekend. The competition result is on another thread under general.
The CND Greasedliner Series rods are made with the exclusive IM8 graphite that the Specialist rods and the Atlantis rods use. When this power material is applied to lighter rods and tapers, the result is a light and super-smooth loading rod with deceiving power and toughness in 4-pc package with line weights common in summer run fishing. We hope to make three models available this summer:
- 13'4" 6/7/8
- 14'3" 7/8/9
- 15'2" 7/8/9.
These are all four piece IM8 rods. Primarily represented by the middle number in the line rating, but due to line variances in the industry lighter lines should be considered on the upper end of the scale while heavier lines on the lower end.
They have that summer run feel throughout; hard to describe but you'll feel what I mean right away in your own hands. It's the rod I'd want for clean presentations over gin-clear waters for those long summer and fall days without compromising power and line speed when making long casts in a breeze.
CND already has four excellent summer run rods: the Custom 13ft 7/8 and 8/9, and the Expert 13ft 6/7 and 13ft 8/9. But what these new rods bring to the party are the upper echalon of the summer run sized rods in the CND line up. I have not been alone in urging Nobuo to make a "summer run specialist" for months now, although I've been the most persistent. Well, the master has come through again - the Greasedliners are that wish realized as completely as anyone could have hoped.
I know it's easy for me to get excited about two-handed rods and it would be fair to say I am a bit biased but I have to say in my opinion, these rods rank among the elite when it comes to summer run spey casting tools in terms of performance, price, aesthetics, weight, power, etc.
We are finalizing plans for production, pricing/avail info will be made available in the near future via your dealers or contact CND directly for the latest info. We hope to have them available for dealers as the summer run fishing gets underway.
I had a chance to fiddle with the 14'3" 7/8/9 at the Sandy Clave. Very nice, light, and easy with casting finesse. Just enough reserve, though certainly not a power rod. I look forward to its release and the chance try a range of lines on this rod.
Let me start by saying I am a huge CND fan and am very much looking forward to the Greaseline series for summer work. I had a chance to cast all three rods this weekend at the Sandy Clave.
There are all light in hand and seem well aligned to their intended purpose. The 14'3" was probably my favorite of the bunch, although the 15'2" could be a stand-out for long lining. The 13'4" was interesting and could prove versatile.
The 14'3" was woefully mislined at the show using a 7/8 XLT. The long front taper did not allow the rod to load at distances suitable for lawn casting. The series, especaially the 14'3", appears to be a departure from other CND rods in that they firm up tremendously in the butt section and had more of tip action. Again, as I a CND fan, I really wanted to fall in love, but left wanting. I think the rods deserve a chance on the water with some different lines (I am thinking mid-bellies for the 14'3") and a chance to see how they perform a range of casts. Right now, I think they fill a nice spot in the CND line, but are probably closer to a tip action rod than I like.
Glad you got a change to play with the new rods. I like the 7/8 midspey on that 14'3" a lot, especially the custom front taper Nobuo made for it. Midlength lines are very good on that rod and I didn't perceive it to be tippy or stiff in the butt, rather a very smooth loading flex profile with the mid-length lines and a nice clean kick. When the demo rods come home later in the week I will be re-exploring them with a bigger assortment of lines.
I'd agree that the 7/8 XLT is in fact way too much; I like that line for the 14' 9/10 Custom which is a powerful rod whereas the greaseliner is a lighter rod designed specifically for summer run fishing.
After casting the 13' 4" Grease Liner with the 6/7 Midspey (thought it would be a good combo since the weights appeared to be right), Aaron/Speybum informed me it was overlined and suggested trying an 8/9wt Hardy Mach 1 Plus (60' + belly).
It didn't seem that overlined to me, but Aaron was right - the performance improved immensely with the new line. Proof was that Aaron's protege (Sparse Hair Hackle's 13year old daughter) was soon casting 80' with it.
It's also tough because we were casting on grass - I'm told the 15' Grease Liner felt much more powerful on the water than on the grass.
It was a fun event - i met a lot of great people and enjoyed putting faces on many Forum members (Bob Meiser, Sharp Steelie, JGS, Sparse Hair Hackle, . . ) and renewing acquaintances I haven't seen in awhile.
I cast the 13'4" Greaseliner extensively at the Spey-o-Rama in San Francisco. I was interested in comparing it to the old 7136 "Brownie" that was once my summer rod of choice. Therefore I used the line from that rod, a SpeyDriver that Dana made that is about a #8 (which we thought was a little much for the 7136).
The 13'4" loved the very long bellied line. While it required a smooth even application of power - like most progressive action rods - it was very powerful. I will need to spice some more running line to the back end. I don't off the top of my head know the length of the line, but is an extended long belly (probably 75' of belly to the running line) and the 7136 could not come close to casting the whole line.
I was very impressed, Nobuo had to physically take the rod so he could give it some more testing back in Japan. I am eagerly awaiting my demos!
I cast the 14'3" less, but I would not call it (or the 13'4") a tip action rod. The Grease Liners are very much Nobuo Nodera style rods, with the characteristic smooth progressive load and surprising reserve power in the butt. The IM8 graphite in this lighter configuration is a treat.
Watching three kids throwing 13’4 Grease Liner (With Aaron HELP) at Sandy Clave, was amazed how good the rod was. I was on grass for an hour with this rod; I tried different lines on it, Mach 1 was a pleasure to throw. No effort at all.
Unfortunately with this rod being so new and with recent claves coming one after the other I have spent less time with this rod than most clavers! I am waiting patiently for it to come home to papa from the Sandy
We have a mini-clave this weekend so I will get my time with it at last. My guess is that the mid-length lines in the 7/8 or 8/9 depending on brand will be great; and the extended belly lines in the lighter weights (6/7?) will be suitable due to it's length.
Nobuo has of course spent the most time with it, I will get some details to post in addition to my own notes after this weekend. Meanwhile those who played with it at Sandy River might chime in too.
Geez, when did you guys see my kids with this rod? I cast a few CND rods--possibilities for me-- but was talking with somebody when Aaron was with them--I missed it! I saw Aaron with them, but didn't know what rod they had and figured I'd stay away while they got some more good instruction. I wish I'd had them take the rod down to the river, too.
The 15'-2" grease liner was the first rod I grabbed. Armed with a full cadre of XLT lines, plus a 7/8 Grand Spey, I was on the river early Saturday morning, before it got crowded. The 7/8 XLT was the first line I tried. And It worked so well I never bothered with the rest. I was throwing ninety feet (my lines are marked) plus an eighteen foot leader. And mending all of that.
Sunday afternoon Andre and I took the 14'-3" the 15'-2" and my old Sage 8150 down to the river with my 7/8 XLT line.
The 14'-3" easily cast eighty feet of line plus the (18 foot) leader. Andre thought it felt a little heavy and would have liked to try a 6/7 XLT or a 7/8 Mid Spey. I thought it felt fine.
I got to play with the 15'-2" grease liner again, back to back with the 8150.
So, for what it's worth, my consensus on all of this is; the 14'-3" & 7/8 XLT are good out to 98 feet, which is about all I can get out of the 8150. Add another 10 feet for the 15'-2" rod. And again IMHO, that extra foot of length is a real plus for mending those lengths of line.
In the 'what grain range' works best ... a cool idea from the Meiz/
Over at Bob's house for a bit of chat and lunch yesterday; also got to play with a couple of his new toys (One's a great rod, the other is just a killer!)
But the thing that caught my attention is neither of the rods had a 'line rating.' What Bob appears to be moving towards, is putting down the range of 'grain weights' that the rod best performs. As we now know the grain wts of almost all the lines, you just have to match up the 'line style' that you like with the rod recommendation. (Bob actually had the 'range' on the rod blank).
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