Not under 50', but I cast one with a Nextcast FF 55' 7/8 and thought it was a nice match.
Burky 8152
Hi Folks,
So I have a near new, new to me, Burky 8152. I have four other Burky's that I can cast in my sleep, a perfect fit.
This rod, 8152, seems very different and tempermental to line weights and casting stroke/speed/ forward stroke etc.
Anyone else have this experience, what lines under 50' heads do you use, weights/grains etc.
Thanks for any feedback in advance.
dtrap
So I have a near new, new to me, Burky 8152. I have four other Burky's that I can cast in my sleep, a perfect fit.
This rod, 8152, seems very different and tempermental to line weights and casting stroke/speed/ forward stroke etc.
Anyone else have this experience, what lines under 50' heads do you use, weights/grains etc.
Thanks for any feedback in advance.
dtrap
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Try NextCast Salar Finder 45; F-S2 with Rio 10' ( 85 gr) tips. If needed, you can cut it form the back 12 inches ( 20-22 gr) and re-loop.
Another option/s would be Guideline triple density 9/10 or 10/11 ( F-H-I, F-I-S2 or H-I-S3) at 580-600 gr, which depending on the line wt., have length in 40-45' range.
Another option/s would be Guideline triple density 9/10 or 10/11 ( F-H-I, F-I-S2 or H-I-S3) at 580-600 gr, which depending on the line wt., have length in 40-45' range.
8152
Thanks for the info. Both of you seem to be using lighter lines than Burky recommends?
Did you try the Nextcast 55 8/9? Did it seem too heavy ?
Thanks,
dtap
Thanks for the info. Both of you seem to be using lighter lines than Burky recommends?
Did you try the Nextcast 55 8/9? Did it seem too heavy ?
Thanks,
dtap
You asked for head under 50'.
NC 55 8/9 works very well. With shorter heads I use underhand cast and prefer a bit lighter heads.
Generally speaking, Scandi heads or spey lines with the same length and weigh may have a different weight distribution, what affects how a rod is loaded.
A line which is more back-loaded will feel heavier on a rod.
NC 55 8/9 works very well. With shorter heads I use underhand cast and prefer a bit lighter heads.
Generally speaking, Scandi heads or spey lines with the same length and weigh may have a different weight distribution, what affects how a rod is loaded.
A line which is more back-loaded will feel heavier on a rod.
8152-4 magic
I have a few Burkies,all 4 piece save one the 7133-3.Lately I have been casting,and therefore, FISHING, the 8152-4 exclusively(I've had 'er for over a year now)....this rod isn't temperamental at all, I've been casting older Deltas both long and short from 9/10 to 10/11 short, cut back 15' for tips, and Delta long from 8/9(the line used during the development of this rod) through to 10/11 all cut back for tips,I cast my signature unweighted intruder style and hobo speys off of all of the lines mentioned,as well as hair wings and Dees off of salmon irons....I even have a new generation Delta 10/11 @ 800 grns....that I cut back 15' for tips.....and let me say this gentlemen this rod casts all these lines to the friggin backing knot!!!!This cannon is a rocket launcher to which I have pinned many a steelhead,this rod is magic!!!!!..The grn. window is large and you can cover all kinds of water conditions with this rod, with a change of lines,if you'd like, to handle heavier tips lighter tips or full floater...choices they're good!!!!......oh!!oh!!!oh!!! here's a lift and grin with the venerable 8152-4 SAWEEEET!!! Rod it is!!!!
I have a few Burkies,all 4 piece save one the 7133-3.Lately I have been casting,and therefore, FISHING, the 8152-4 exclusively(I've had 'er for over a year now)....this rod isn't temperamental at all, I've been casting older Deltas both long and short from 9/10 to 10/11 short, cut back 15' for tips, and Delta long from 8/9(the line used during the development of this rod) through to 10/11 all cut back for tips,I cast my signature unweighted intruder style and hobo speys off of all of the lines mentioned,as well as hair wings and Dees off of salmon irons....I even have a new generation Delta 10/11 @ 800 grns....that I cut back 15' for tips.....and let me say this gentlemen this rod casts all these lines to the friggin backing knot!!!!This cannon is a rocket launcher to which I have pinned many a steelhead,this rod is magic!!!!!..The grn. window is large and you can cover all kinds of water conditions with this rod, with a change of lines,if you'd like, to handle heavier tips lighter tips or full floater...choices they're good!!!!......oh!!oh!!!oh!!! here's a lift and grin with the venerable 8152-4 SAWEEEET!!! Rod it is!!!!
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Does anyone else find this rod to have a different action than other Burkys?
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Does anyone else find this rod to have a different action than other Burkys?
thanks
Nope not 4 piece, read my post above!!!!I took to the 8152-4 like a duck to water!! the one 3 piece i have is a little different but different in a good way love the 7133-3!!!Does anyone else find this rod to have a different action than other Burkys?
thanks
Dtrap,
May be your should describe in more details your experience with 8152-4 vs. other rods you have ( which other CBF 4 models) and why you think there is a need to adjust your line and stroke. Each Burkie rod is like meeting a new interesting person, but there are not so different form each other.
What lines/wight have you tried so far ? Do you cast mostly with upper hand power application, both or mostly bottom hand?
May be your should describe in more details your experience with 8152-4 vs. other rods you have ( which other CBF 4 models) and why you think there is a need to adjust your line and stroke. Each Burkie rod is like meeting a new interesting person, but there are not so different form each other.
What lines/wight have you tried so far ? Do you cast mostly with upper hand power application, both or mostly bottom hand?
No. I found it to be vintage Burkie. I never tried any heavier lines with it. The rod belonged to Greg Bencivenga who's on their pro staff. I just used what he was using. I love that rod and hope to own one one day. I have a 7127 and a 8139-3 and think that 8152 would round out the quiver rather nicely.
8152
Well I own a 7127, 8128, 8134,9129,9145, and they all cast, feel very similar to me. As I said I can cast these rods without a second thought. They are just an extensions of my body. Most people consider me a pretty good caster so I'm not a novice trying to learn how to cast.
I tend to use a lot of bottom hand but I find the 8152 doesn't really like that. It 'shocks' the rod. I find I need to use both top and bottom hand more evenly with the 8152. Maybe it's due to it's length and it's as simple as that.
The lines I've tried so far are Scandi style heads, Rio, Mackenzie, Hardy etc in grain weights from 550grn - 650grn. I usually put a clear poly leader on these to make the heads a little longer, around 60' from rod tip to the fly. The poly leader also gives the line a little more grip on the anchor.
I have a Nextcast FF45 coming next week.
I think it is just me getting used to the rod as no one else seems to think this rod/design is any different from other Burkys. I'll figure it out.
I tried a Meiser briefly, 15' 7/8/9 Highlander classic and I used these same lines on it with no problem at all. The rod was quite a bit heavier than the Burky and didn't seem as sensitive to 'my' casting stroke, more forgiving. Don't know why but there you go.
Thanks guys/gals
dtrap
Well I own a 7127, 8128, 8134,9129,9145, and they all cast, feel very similar to me. As I said I can cast these rods without a second thought. They are just an extensions of my body. Most people consider me a pretty good caster so I'm not a novice trying to learn how to cast.
I tend to use a lot of bottom hand but I find the 8152 doesn't really like that. It 'shocks' the rod. I find I need to use both top and bottom hand more evenly with the 8152. Maybe it's due to it's length and it's as simple as that.
The lines I've tried so far are Scandi style heads, Rio, Mackenzie, Hardy etc in grain weights from 550grn - 650grn. I usually put a clear poly leader on these to make the heads a little longer, around 60' from rod tip to the fly. The poly leader also gives the line a little more grip on the anchor.
I have a Nextcast FF45 coming next week.
I think it is just me getting used to the rod as no one else seems to think this rod/design is any different from other Burkys. I'll figure it out.
I tried a Meiser briefly, 15' 7/8/9 Highlander classic and I used these same lines on it with no problem at all. The rod was quite a bit heavier than the Burky and didn't seem as sensitive to 'my' casting stroke, more forgiving. Don't know why but there you go.
Thanks guys/gals
dtrap
all of these are slightly more progressive (light tip, strong butt) than the 8152I own a 7127, 8128, 8134,9129,9145, and they all cast, feel very similar to me.
you are also correct that longer rods can be hard to hit precisely with a short punch, especially on rods (like the 8152) that flex a bit deeper
8152 burky
Thanks for the insight. I'd use a longer line if I didn't have a touchy right shoulder. Lifting the hands to clear the 'D' loop on a longer belly line takes it's toll on my shoulder after a while. That's why I've settled on a head to fly of 60' max.
I'll work on being smoother and slower with the 8152 to try and wait for the whole rod to load and not punch the forward stroke.
dtrap
Thanks for the insight. I'd use a longer line if I didn't have a touchy right shoulder. Lifting the hands to clear the 'D' loop on a longer belly line takes it's toll on my shoulder after a while. That's why I've settled on a head to fly of 60' max.
I'll work on being smoother and slower with the 8152 to try and wait for the whole rod to load and not punch the forward stroke.
dtrap
I'll work on being smoother and slower with the 8152 to try and wait for the whole rod to load and not punch the forward stroke.
dtrap
Rod like 8128-4 can be cast with a very short stroke with power coming predominantly from the bottom hand ( underhand cast). The same with 8134-4 and 9135-4, albeit 8134-4 ask for a bit slower tempo.
You are right, 8152-4 will not cast let say SF 45 8/9 or GL 3D 600gr/44' with a very similar stroke as other rods. A bit more top hand is needed and slower tempo.
When casting underhand style going toward a lighter head will help in general, not only with 8152-4.
Let say one is casting GL triple density F-H-I + 10-12' of fluorocarbon leader, or H-I-S3 + 4-5' of leader/tipper. These heads have a very simiar profile to Salar
Finder.
If it is 44/600gr full 9/10 head, I see myself engaging a bit more top hand, with bottom being still dominant.
However with 570-580gr 9/10 or shorter 10/11 ( 38') the 8152-4 will cast well using near pure underhand cast.
If you have problem with upper arm, go with even shorter had like 40'. It can be Nextcast SF 40 or heavier 45 cut back. Either it is SF or FF/WW, all these heads can be pruned from the back ( 1-2 feet) , like others Scandi type heads.
dtrap
Rod like 8128-4 can be cast with a very short stroke with power coming predominantly from the bottom hand ( underhand cast). The same with 8134-4 and 9135-4, albeit 8134-4 ask for a bit slower tempo.
You are right, 8152-4 will not cast let say SF 45 8/9 or GL 3D 600gr/44' with a very similar stroke as other rods. A bit more top hand is needed and slower tempo.
When casting underhand style going toward a lighter head will help in general, not only with 8152-4.
Let say one is casting GL triple density F-H-I + 10-12' of fluorocarbon leader, or H-I-S3 + 4-5' of leader/tipper. These heads have a very simiar profile to Salar
Finder.
If it is 44/600gr full 9/10 head, I see myself engaging a bit more top hand, with bottom being still dominant.
However with 570-580gr 9/10 or shorter 10/11 ( 38') the 8152-4 will cast well using near pure underhand cast.
If you have problem with upper arm, go with even shorter had like 40'. It can be Nextcast SF 40 or heavier 45 cut back. Either it is SF or FF/WW, all these heads can be pruned from the back ( 1-2 feet) , like others Scandi type heads.
8152 burky
Sazan,
This is all very good info. I was planning on cutting back the FF45 8/9 by a foot or so, that should put it in my wheelhouse.
Thanks for taking the time to guide me through this.
dtrap
Sazan,
This is all very good info. I was planning on cutting back the FF45 8/9 by a foot or so, that should put it in my wheelhouse.
Thanks for taking the time to guide me through this.
dtrap
I happen to have an older WA 7/8 which is overweighted ( 591 gr/44') and 8152-4 cast it very well.
8152 burky
I think I can borrow one of those from my local fly shop. They don't have the FF so I ordered one online.
I'll see which one I like the most.
dtrap
I think I can borrow one of those from my local fly shop. They don't have the FF so I ordered one online.
I'll see which one I like the most.
dtrap
You are probably already planing it prune your WA 8/9 in small increments.
The best is to cut 12' ( ca. 20 gr) attached mono loop using 25-30 lb line and nail knot and test it with the real fly on the river. If to heavy prune it further in 6-12" increments. If you feel you are close to the sweet spot weld a loop ( polyurethane Airflo 50 lb) and fish the head with various size flies for a few days before you decide to make the final adjustment.
The best is to cut 12' ( ca. 20 gr) attached mono loop using 25-30 lb line and nail knot and test it with the real fly on the river. If to heavy prune it further in 6-12" increments. If you feel you are close to the sweet spot weld a loop ( polyurethane Airflo 50 lb) and fish the head with various size flies for a few days before you decide to make the final adjustment.
8152 burky
Yep, the line quest is on.
Thanks
Yep, the line quest is on.
Thanks
8152 and short heads.
With heads under 50ft on the 8152 one needs to think more about finesse and the ability to shorten the casting stroke when needed. I enjoy this rod with heads in the 45ft range especially with multi density lines. The extra length does help with getting these lines to the surface.
Just like the long lines require the caster to be slow and smooth I think long rods and short heads require more attention to detail. The biggest challenge I see is anchor placement, the sweep is really minimal with this combo and it's really easy to blow anchors. The 8152 does recover from load very quickly it was not designed as a short head rod by any means.
The 8142 is exceptional, it will do all things spey equally well. When I am dialed into the 8152 with short heads it's just plain silly, I say stupid stuff I jump up and down a little and am grinning from ear to ear. It's that good!
With heads under 50ft on the 8152 one needs to think more about finesse and the ability to shorten the casting stroke when needed. I enjoy this rod with heads in the 45ft range especially with multi density lines. The extra length does help with getting these lines to the surface.
Just like the long lines require the caster to be slow and smooth I think long rods and short heads require more attention to detail. The biggest challenge I see is anchor placement, the sweep is really minimal with this combo and it's really easy to blow anchors. The 8152 does recover from load very quickly it was not designed as a short head rod by any means.
The 8142 is exceptional, it will do all things spey equally well. When I am dialed into the 8152 with short heads it's just plain silly, I say stupid stuff I jump up and down a little and am grinning from ear to ear. It's that good!
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