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Hi;

This salmon was caught on Gaula in august and was released. Its was 122 cm long and 89 cm around the body. What do you think the weight of this fish is?
 

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I reckon the weight calculator on Ally Gowans' site (letsflyfish.com) is more accurate than most. Based on the given length, it estimates the fish at just under 48lbs, or 21.7kg. The mean estimate from the other formulae he quotes is rather lower at 42.5lbs, though I think the figure from the Salmonid Council of Newfoundland and Labrador must be incorrect; that fish certainly looks more than 36lbs.

I think your measurement for girth may be wrong. 89cm girth produces a weight of 89.5lbs (40.6kg) on AG's formula, which cannot be correct.
 

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The fish is round 17-18kg ( round 39lb. ) :cool:
 

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Hi Toni and Gardener.

I have to other friends who also caught some big salmons in Gaula in august, and they where killed. Male 121 cm long and 19,7 kg, and another male 122 cm long and 19,3 kg.
So I guess my friends salmon on the pictures will be around 19 kg. We estimate the at the time we released the fish to be around 18.5 kg.

Here is a list of the 10 biggest salmons from Gaula 2005.

18.7.2005 Laks Flue GFF Stadion, Rognes Westerlund, Per 20,8
3.7.2005 Laks Flue Gaulfossen, Hovin Kveberg, Kjell 19,7
6.8.2005 Laks Flue Krogstad, Hovin Nielsen, Niels Blom 19,7
23.8.2005 Laks Mark TOFA/ Melhus JFF Einarsen, Asbjørn 19,5
16.8.2005 Laks Flue GFF Kroken, Malum/Winsnes Jensen, Michael 18,4
22.7.2005 Laks Flue Nordløkken, Singsås Svensson, Mads 18,3
19.6.2005 Laks Mark Ivervaldet, Hovin Lundemo, Tor Morten 18,1
11.6.2005 Laks Sluk Kregnes Felleseie, Kvål Wiig, Leif 18,1
12.6.2005 Laks Mark Mo, Melhus Tømmerdal, Kjell 18,0
12.6.2005 Laks Sluk Nedre Løberg, Lundamo Haug, Peter 18,0
 

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Yes that sounds pretty close what it is. Really nice fish.
I did land salmon 124cm ( June ) from Orkla this year and that was 20kg fish.
 

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Hi Toni

Yes, I heard about your fish. Realy nice.
I was fishing with "Big" Søren from Dk at the time in Stjørdal.

I had myself some very good fishing on mid Orkla around june/juli, with several 20 pounders :)
 

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Peter, would you mind telling me where on the Orkla you fish? I've always wanted to fish the Orkla, but never really had any good info on the best or good parts.

I tried to upload a picture of Per's 20.8 kilo fish for all to admire, but the size is too large..sorry. It was a cracker and only took him 20 mins to land. He woke us all at 3am to take a look at his monster fish. Well worth it. Personally never seen a fish that size before.

Maybe it will be my turn next year :roll:
 

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Hi Storlaks

I had the opputunity to fish the Orkla for around 10 days, and fished beat on the lower, Middle and top part as the river. I hard to say what was the best, but its seems like the lower and middle part was the best. We had very hot air temp, so most of the time we fished in the night.

Per did catch his salmon on the Stadium pool, twelve after we left it, so it seems like I did have my chance this year :rolleyes:
 

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Trondheim or bust!

Beautiful looking fish Peter. I still scratch my head at he fact that in this day and age of the state of salmon stocks world-wide some people feel the need to kill MSW fish?

Peter Terndrup said:
I have to other friends who also caught some big salmons in Gaula in august, and they where killed.

I don't know how anyone could want more after they were blessed with a nice photo of a beautiful fish like you caught and released.
 

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Hi Storlaks

Michaels "18.5" kg salmon(Picture) did take around 20 minuts to fight. Niels Blom 19.7 did take 1 1/2 hour, and the other 19,3 I mention did also take over an hour.


Hi Begbie

I hope in the future that it will be more normal to practice C&R, or at least only take a few fish a year. What more do you need..
 

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Thanks Peter, I'd heard that the lower/middle river was best, but since I'm not familiar with the Orkla beats I wasn't sure where and who to contact. Any pointers?

I've heard a rumour that there maybe some further changes on the GFF beats next year. Don't know any details though. Will wait and see.

In your opinion, which river do you prefer fishing.....Gaula or Orkla?

Seems like these BIG salmon are either landed quickly or it takes 1hr or more. I know I played one for 1.5hrs some years ago, but eventually lost it :(
 

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Hi Storlaks

There are lots of good beats on Orkla. Both Syrstad LTS and Hasse Dehlin has lots of good water, and you can see more on these sites:
www.orklaguide.no
www.orklaguide.com

The last thing about heard about GFF-Gaula Flyfishing was that it probaly will be rotation like this year. There where talk about making a new rotation whit some new interesting beats.

On Gaula you have more biggere pools and I like that. Orkla is more intimate. Most of the pool arent that big, maybe its more a challenge to fish with a flyrods because of more rocky water.
Gaula, Orkla, Driva and Alta are among my favorites in Norway.
 

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I wonder if we are talking about a different Orkla. I have a friend who specialises in fishing trips from the UK - he resides in Norway - and Orkla will not be on his list next year because of the absence of fish for much of the season.

In the last edition of Jakt og Fiske (Hunting and Fishing) the Syrstad Bros announced that they are introducing catch and release on their beats on the Orkla next year - because of the state of the fishing.

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Steven, that's interesting since this was the first year that most of the nets have stopped in the Trondheim fjord.

Maybe I'll stick with the Gaula then :)
 

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Here are the catches that were reported to Orklaguide.com this year

Big salmon: 933 (above 7 kilo)
Middle salmon: 906 (between 3 and 7 kilo)
Grilses 1485 (Under 3 kilo)

The fishing for Big salmon was very good in June, particularly on the lower fourth of the river. The Middle river was fishing mediocre in June and the uppermost river where fishing very poor in June. July was a mediocre month in the lower and middle part and poor in the upper part (except for one good week). August was poor all over the river, except from a few days of good fishing in some beats.

This numbers are from the live statistics and the total number will usually be from 40-50% higher than this.

In favor of the buyout of the nets it is interesting to see that there where caught almost twice as much middle sized salmon as there where caught grilses last year. Normally this number should be sligthly lower because a poor grilse year normally follows by a poor middle sized year. I also think the good catches of big salmon in the first part of the season was due to the buyout of 80% of the nets.

Based on the catch reports this season was not very good and not bad either, but before year 2000 the reporting was much poorer and the official catch statistics from earlier years is very misledding.

Orkla is still a very good salmon river, but the last years increase in anglers have given a much higher pressure on the fishing and it's therefore necessary to reconsider the bag limits (3 salmon per day in june and july and 2 per day in august). That some beats are starting up with C&R only is a very interesting experiment as 100% C&R is very little practised in Norwegian rivers.

For those interested in fishing in Orkla checkout:
www.orklaguide.com (whole river)
www.orklaguiden.no (upper and middle part)
www.syrstad.no (fishing school, but also for renting beats, C&R only)
www.elvene.no (The net buyout organisation)

And for Peter, I'm guessing you are right on your estimate of 19 kg on this salmon since it's stale and had been on the river for a while.
 

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McIntyre said:
This numbers are from the live statistics and the total number will usually be from 40-50% higher than this.

For those interested in fishing in Orkla checkout:
www.orklaguide.com (whole river)
www.orklaguiden.no (upper and middle part)
www.syrstad.no (fishing school, but also for renting beats, C&R only)
www.elvene.no (The net buyout organisation)
Hi McIntyre,
good sites, but surely they are all in Norwegian with the exception of Syrstad?

I'm greatly surprised that you say that the reported catch returns on such an established river as the Orkla are 40%-50% lower than real catch levels. Owners of fishing rights in Norway are of course requested to submit catch returns to the authorities (county fishing administrator) by early October. I have understood that if the authorities have serious doubts about the reporting mechanisms/veracity of catch returns that they can take measures, for example - to reduce the permitted catch rate per day. On my local river - the Bjerkreim, which is an apprentice compared to the Orkla - we have a Catch Registration Card linked to a deposit for public fishing, and on private stretches we also have to submit catch returns by 10 October. Unless things have changed this year, the usual rate of returned cards is about 85%. This is also linked to a policy of taking action against anyone who breaches the law, and by cultivating the attitude of not seeing the bag limit as a target. Of course, there are always stories of under-reporting on beats nearest the sea, but no-one on this river system would think that this would amount to 40%-50%: that would place fishing rights in serious jeopardy.

Why is there that culture on the Orkla?

Regards

Steven
 

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Hi McIntyre,
good sites, but surely they are all in Norwegian with the exception of Syrstad?

I'm greatly surprised that you say that the reported catch returns on such an established river as the Orkla are 40%-50% lower than real catch levels. Owners of fishing rights in Norway are of course requested to submit catch returns to the authorities (county fishing administrator) by early October. I have understood that if the authorities have serious doubts about the reporting mechanisms/veracity of catch returns that they can take measures, for example - to reduce the permitted catch rate per day. On my local river - the Bjerkreim, which is an apprentice compared to the Orkla - we have a Catch Registration Card linked to a deposit for public fishing, and on private stretches we also have to submit catch returns by 10 October. Unless things have changed this year, the usual rate of returned cards is about 85%. This is also linked to a policy of taking action against anyone who breaches the law, and by cultivating the attitude of not seeing the bag limit as a target. Of course, there are always stories of under-reporting on beats nearest the sea, but no-one on this river system would think that this would amount to 40%-50%: that would place fishing rights in serious jeopardy.

Why is there that culture on the Orkla?

Regards

Steven
Hi Steven

I think you misunderstood me or maybe my poor english made it a little unclear.

In Orkla we have a live statistic (laksebørs) which is based on reports from anglers and river owners. On most beats it's up to the angler if he want to report to the live statistics or not. However everyone has to report their catches to the owner by the end of fishing, and this reports are collected after the season is closed and the total statistic are normally available in November. There is normally a 40-50% differences between the voluntary reports during the season and the official report which are collected from the river owners after the season has closed. There is no trixing with the numbers on the official report before sending it to the authorities. The numbers are the actually summary of all the finally reports from the river owners.

I'm sorry most of the links I posted was in Norwegian only (www.elvene.no has also english text), but unfortunately the sites is not translated to english yet, I know that www.orklaguiden.no is working on an english presentasion of their beats, but I'm not sure if www.orklaguide.com (official site for The Orkla River) is planning an english version. However everyone should be able to find phone numbers and email adresses on all the sites and come in touch with the correct persons.
 
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