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I have a few things to say.

First and foremost, how many of you have taken the time to subscribe to Dana Sturns speypages newsletter? I think it's important you subscribe if you haven't, that's if you are an aspiring spey caster. I am going to give you an example as to why. In the past few weeks of practice, I have developed from a very inconsistent off hand (off hand being I have my hands in the same position, but I am casting from the other side of my body) snake roller, to the point where my snake rolls on my off hand are better than my on hand snake rolls. Well I went to a little casting get together yesterday and when I got out to distance, my loops on my onhand snake rolls were suffering. Well I was in shambles last night, looking for answers, thinking about what I was doing wrong, what I should do etc. I finally settled down and read through Dana Sturns speypages newsletter in his two part series on the Snake roll. Suffice to say, I went casting today, after reading 2 excellent tips, and I think I have solved the problem. Worth the money? Definately.

Second, I run into people every now and then who say you don't need to learn how to speycast the two hander properly or well to fish it. Who cares if your loops don't turn over nicely. Who cares if you can't cast 100 plus feet, are the types of questions. I think this is true to a point, but part of me believes that this is just an excuse to not take the time to learn how to cast properly, buy the videos, and even lay down the bucks to attend a casting school or take some private lessons. Am I sounding fairly opinionated on this? Can anyone give any examples of someone who can cast well versus someone who is mediocre to average and ability to fish. Is there any correlation? Is there a partial correlation which is what I implyed?

Third, I have been practicing fairly regularly, on the smaller local rivers here in the Lower mainland. While they don't afford you the room to cast 100 plus feet all the time, I think taking 20 to 30 minutes of each day to go out casting has dramatically improved both the consistency and distance of my spey casting. I'm no Derek Brown for that matter, but it is amazing how much you notice your improvement for such a small committment in time per day. I have to say, if you want to invest into some casting like this every day, pick yourself up a pair of cheap rubber or similar material pair of bootfoot waders for around 50-100 bucks. Throw them in the back of your vehicle. They come on easy, they come off easy, they're convenient, and they suit getting onto the river and off the river for your 20-30 minute casting session each day fairly easily. You don't have to worry about wrecking them because they are cheap, etc.

Fourth, relating to practicing. If you are on a smaller river, one of the things I found helped when I wanted to work on my distance was this: Say you are on river left. Offhand snake roll 45 degrees upstream, then onhand snake roll 45 degrees downstream, and repeat. I found this lets you get out quite a bit more line on the smaller streams, which is neccessary as you develop to casting longer distances, as opposed to casting upstream, and then downstream, which doesn't afford you as much room as 45 degrees up and 45 degrees down.

Fifth, and this is true, this is not some plug for Dana personally, nor am I trying to spam. I can also attribute knowing the casts to being shown in person at Dana's Spey school. I highly recommend, if you desire to improve your casting, that you attend a spey school or get some private lessons. I remember watching Derek Browns video before his school and picking up some tips, but after attending Dana's Spey school, I can now watch the DB video and point out just about every little thing he is doing. Worth the money IMHO.

Just remember, once you get hooked by the Spey, there ain't on coming back. I just sold my soul, how about you?

Scott
 

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I think people dismiss distance too lightly when talking about fishing capabilities. Distance can be a big advantage, even on moderate-sized rivers. The ability to cast farther gives one the opportunity to better setup the angle of the line, thereby providing a better presentation.

Some of my favorite fishing is in pockets along the opposite bank. I desire to place a fly (usually a dry) in the pocket, let it float briefly, then let the current slowly drag the fly away. This is deadly, but it is generally most effective with the greatest possible downstream angle. Mends can only compensate so much.

That's my opinion, anyway.

--Bill
 

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When I asked my banjo instructor how to practice, he said something that I believe is applicable to most of what we do, including spey casting.

When describing how to work on a new lick, he said that the first 100,000 repetitions is pretty rough, but after a while it starts to sound better.

I've probably made about 1000 spey casts. I've got a really, really long ways to go.

Cheers,

Michael
 

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My .02 cents: Think "SHH" pretty well nailed it.

On the Rogue, long cast, particularly during low water conditions (now) can be a great advantage. Single handers have water they can cover but in many situations this is not where the fish will be holding.

This moring was a good example (2 for 3 on summers, and a monster fall king that popped 20 pound maxima line like it was a dry twig), fish were sitting on the far side of the river in faster/deeper water. To get to them you'd have to be in a boat ... or make one hell of a cast with heavy flys to hold to the bottom, etc.

No one could reach this water ... except for the Sage 15-9wt with a Airflow short 7 foot 'sinking head' fited between 5' of 20# leader then to wted flys. Fish almost from the first cast.

Do I carry a one hander for close in work, you bettcha, but cove the water ... only a spey.

Gassing up the car today and ran into a fellow who works for one of the local fly shops. Some one told him about "an older guy with a spey rod" who was "cleaning up" when no one else could touch a fish; wanted to bust his rods and send him home. He said, 'I think I know who your talking about.' Heck, I'm not that great a fly rod guy, but I do know if you can't reach them you might as will sit on the beach and drink coffee.
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Fred,

Regarding not being able to reach the fish, you got it nailed! This is why it behooves us all to practive and improve our casting so that 100 ft casts are within our abilities.
 
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