Backing/knot for OPST Lazar
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This is what they recommend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrDseHoMq6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrDseHoMq6I
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I had they're recommended triple surgeons snap at the knot and lose the entire line. I now tie a 12 turn Bimini. It adds some shock absorbtion. But I wrap the tag end so the loop doesn't end up twisted. It goes through the guides just fine. Even before I coat it with UV cure. Jerry French thought that was a cool idea. So far so good.
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I second this. Works great!!!
Ed's video is a good loop knot for attaching the OPST skagit head to the shooting line, using the same knot at the other end would be fine also, you would put a bimini twist loop in your backing and create a loop to loop connection.
Or you could use a knot like the slim beauty or fishermans knot to join your backing to the OPST lazer line (this line ties awesome knots), I use the later, very very strong knot, used in deep water jigging and heavy popping for gt's etc, snugs down super small and slim, can use glue if you like but if you form it slowly and properly it doesnt budge.
Or you could use a knot like the slim beauty or fishermans knot to join your backing to the OPST lazer line (this line ties awesome knots), I use the later, very very strong knot, used in deep water jigging and heavy popping for gt's etc, snugs down super small and slim, can use glue if you like but if you form it slowly and properly it doesnt budge.
I've tried many different knots to create loops in gelspun material. The only one that gives me an unbreakable knot that is slim is to take a piece of 30# dacron and run the gelspun through the middle of it (I use a bobbin threader) and then tie a triple surgeon knot. trim the end neatly and apply your favorite pliable sealant to keep the ends from fraying. I can put my foot through the loop and can't break the knot. I use 50# gelspun.
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Double Surgeons with 30# Dacron sheath over Lazer line
With the use of 25# and 30# Lazer line and Rio Slick Shooter I have found the loop on the shooting head takes a beating with the thin mono cutting into it. I have tested using a loop of Dacron sheath using a bobbin to thread over the shooting line and tying a double Surgeons around both to make the loop. Clean up the excess and used a light coating of Knot Sence to make the knot slide easily through the guides. I did 4 break tests on this loop and found in all tests the line broke before the loop or knot. It seems the Lazer line bites into the braided Dacron to lock the knot well. Should I be concerned using only a double Surgeons with this loop? A triple is a bit too bulky and will not reduce in size with pulling it tight as it will when spicing a triple into the line itself as Ed demonstrates in his video.
I have used a triple Surgeons on the loop when using the 30# Dacron as a sheath on 30#,50# and 65#Gelspun and it works very well to prevent the Gel spun from cutting into the running line. I considered using 80# Hollow Ace as a sheath over Gel spun but both of these lines are pretty thin and slick. The durability of the Hollow Ace may not be as good as Dacron from a chaffing point of view.
Any comments on this?
With the use of 25# and 30# Lazer line and Rio Slick Shooter I have found the loop on the shooting head takes a beating with the thin mono cutting into it. I have tested using a loop of Dacron sheath using a bobbin to thread over the shooting line and tying a double Surgeons around both to make the loop. Clean up the excess and used a light coating of Knot Sence to make the knot slide easily through the guides. I did 4 break tests on this loop and found in all tests the line broke before the loop or knot. It seems the Lazer line bites into the braided Dacron to lock the knot well. Should I be concerned using only a double Surgeons with this loop? A triple is a bit too bulky and will not reduce in size with pulling it tight as it will when spicing a triple into the line itself as Ed demonstrates in his video.
I have used a triple Surgeons on the loop when using the 30# Dacron as a sheath on 30#,50# and 65#Gelspun and it works very well to prevent the Gel spun from cutting into the running line. I considered using 80# Hollow Ace as a sheath over Gel spun but both of these lines are pretty thin and slick. The durability of the Hollow Ace may not be as good as Dacron from a chaffing point of view.
Any comments on this?
A good idea with the Dacron loops over the mono, could also use guedebrod, hollow braided mono that you typically build spliced on loops for fly lines, except you would do the same as you have for the Dacron, make it a sleeve for the loop, very durable material, iv had some loops that are still going strong after 10 years on my salt water outfits.
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Thanks Ozswitch,
I found this Cortland braided Mono:
Cortland Braided Mono: Stripping Baskets, Saltwater Reels, Rods and Flies for Fly Fishing | Sea Level Flyfishing
A double Surgeon over the Lazer Line and the Mono Sheath would be ok?
Would this work well over Gel Spun as well ? 30pound OK?
I found this Cortland braided Mono:
Cortland Braided Mono: Stripping Baskets, Saltwater Reels, Rods and Flies for Fly Fishing | Sea Level Flyfishing
A double Surgeon over the Lazer Line and the Mono Sheath would be ok?
Would this work well over Gel Spun as well ? 30pound OK?
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Max Garth's coaxial splice, is far and away the best I have found...
That is my go to as well in this application
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