[Berlin]

Hi All,

I'm sure this question has been brought up before but I'd like to ask a qustion if I may.

With the Underhand technique becoming more and more popular we are seeing a return to line lengths close to the AFTMA system.

But the new Scandinavian style shooting heads do not comform to the AFTMA for their length.

For example the 10.5 meter 10 weight heads (made from DT 10 lines) I use for my single handed rods come in at 22 - 24 grams. The new Rio Scandinavians 9/10 at 10.6 meters come in at 35.6 grams and the 10/11 at 10.5 meters comes in at 37.5 grams.

in effect they are almost double the original AFTMA system weight. How did the AFTMA system drift higher for long belly lines and then with the resurgence of shorter lines end up 80% heavier?

The likes of Snowbee are claiming their ideal rod loads are #8/9 36g, #9/10 40g, #10/11 44g and #11/12 56g so we can match the correct head and line to them.

This is great and very useful information but does not in any way match the good old AFTMA system where a 10 weight is 18 grams for 10 yards. For a Snowbee rod that would mean a head made from standard DT10 line of 23 yards.

Have we reached the reverse situation where the rod is standardised and the line is now subjective? It also leads to trouble if one requires a Scandinavian SH of 40 grams but only 10 meters long. That would equate to something like an AFTMA 20+ DT line and they are not too common

Any comments?

Cheers,
Carl

 

[hcdk]

scandinavian s-heads.

a reply from a danish now living in sweden.over here we started with "sewing "our own s-h in the late 80`s when we got tired of the poor performance of the existing w-forward lines,we could have like 5-10 different heads for max performance on diff.spots of the river,this was,at the time, mostly for single hand fishing.i had f.ex.a 14yards 26 grs.for my 9,6 #6-7 just for fishing my 2 favorite spots in the river mörrum.now the trend has turned to 2 hand rods aprox.13 feet for underhand and spey casting(in that river)specialists on the subjekt would be lars and allan at (edited) they are,beside the shop,working with development and innovation for:guideline,loop and others,try tell them your rod type,name and lenght and they will know which lenght and wheigt your s-h should have! :smokin:

 

[Bob Pauli]

?Return to AFTMA?

Carl, you make the statement: "With the Underhand technique becoming more and more popular we are seeing a return to line lengths close to the AFTMA system."

What evidence makes you believe the above statement? What line lengths are close to the AFTMA system?

 

[Berlin]

Thanks for the replies gents.
I'm reading through the archives now.

Bob, the use of 10 meter heads is virtually back to the 10 yard AFTMA standard. yet the heads now weight 80% more than they should. I find this interesting. It is quite safe to say that the AFTMA system does not apply to these heads. I was intrigued that Underhand casting has brough the AFTMA system full circle but the weight has increased so much.

I'd be interested in finding out when and how this happened.

Cheers,
Carl